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The idea of banning minors from using social media is at its heart an attempt to punish victims instead of going against the perpetrator.

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  • gabrielesvelto@mas.toG gabrielesvelto@mas.to

    @xjix @mgorny yes, absolutely, but like with social media minors end up still having access to alcohol, tobacco and recreational drugs, only through illegal channels. It's one of those cases where a simple ban in absence of proper handling of the broader issue is just a convenient way for adults to ignore the problem instead of trying to fix its root causes.

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    #27

    @gabrielesvelto @xjix @mgorny

    far from being banned from today's
    primary source of information and
    connection, children and everyone else need to learn these social skills, to think critically, to check multiple sources of different kinds, to question, query, look for the logical inconsistencies, to be able to act effectively
    in the world we have made

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    • gabrielesvelto@mas.toG gabrielesvelto@mas.to

      The idea of banning minors from using social media is at its heart an attempt to punish victims instead of going against the perpetrator. If minors are more easily victimized by the predatory practices of large tech corporations it's not their fault. The blame lies squarely on the corporations. They must stop using predatory practices. And that's doubly important because those practices hurt adults and minors alike.

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      #28

      @gabrielesvelto

      Why do we choose to punish our
      dependent children for the crimes
      of under-regulated mega businesses
      and our own lack of time/energy/ability?
      Many children, the most vulnerable, find their only friends, people like them with whom they can find kind belonging, on social media.
      You don't want kids exposed to the evils and can't reign in those exposing them, give them good places online to participate
      with each other, and, better, good places irl.

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      • gabrielesvelto@mas.toG gabrielesvelto@mas.to

        The idea of banning minors from using social media is at its heart an attempt to punish victims instead of going against the perpetrator. If minors are more easily victimized by the predatory practices of large tech corporations it's not their fault. The blame lies squarely on the corporations. They must stop using predatory practices. And that's doubly important because those practices hurt adults and minors alike.

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        #29

        @gabrielesvelto @jeromio Legit I think it’s about 80% anti-lgbtq moral panic bullshit.

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        • gabrielesvelto@mas.toG gabrielesvelto@mas.to

          The idea of banning minors from using social media is at its heart an attempt to punish victims instead of going against the perpetrator. If minors are more easily victimized by the predatory practices of large tech corporations it's not their fault. The blame lies squarely on the corporations. They must stop using predatory practices. And that's doubly important because those practices hurt adults and minors alike.

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          #30

          @gabrielesvelto Our national broadcasting corporation is now sponsoring its second annual “21 Days Off the Mobile” initiative for minors. The program encourages children and adolescents to refrain from using smartphones and social media for three weeks. [...] Nearly two-thirds of the children who took part have since expressed their support for restrictions on social media use by minors, suggesting that many young people themselves recognize the benefits of reduced screen and online time.

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          • gabrielesvelto@mas.toG gabrielesvelto@mas.to

            The idea of banning minors from using social media is at its heart an attempt to punish victims instead of going against the perpetrator. If minors are more easily victimized by the predatory practices of large tech corporations it's not their fault. The blame lies squarely on the corporations. They must stop using predatory practices. And that's doubly important because those practices hurt adults and minors alike.

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            #31

            @gabrielesvelto It is at its heart an attempt to track everyone online. We all have to identify ourselves to prove we are not children.

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            • gabrielesvelto@mas.toG gabrielesvelto@mas.to

              The idea of banning minors from using social media is at its heart an attempt to punish victims instead of going against the perpetrator. If minors are more easily victimized by the predatory practices of large tech corporations it's not their fault. The blame lies squarely on the corporations. They must stop using predatory practices. And that's doubly important because those practices hurt adults and minors alike.

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              #32

              @gabrielesvelto Corporations have more money, so they're more important, and must take priority. Only #consumption and #profit matter. 😭

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              • gabrielesvelto@mas.toG gabrielesvelto@mas.to

                The idea of banning minors from using social media is at its heart an attempt to punish victims instead of going against the perpetrator. If minors are more easily victimized by the predatory practices of large tech corporations it's not their fault. The blame lies squarely on the corporations. They must stop using predatory practices. And that's doubly important because those practices hurt adults and minors alike.

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                #33

                @gabrielesvelto

                I mean, nobody ever went to jail for making a children' cartoon the mascot for Camel cigarettes either.

                Even people who legitimately care about protecting children from harm aren't willing to actually confront the causes of that harm.

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                  #34

                  @xjix @gabrielesvelto @mgorny

                  I disagree with your opening statement
                  where did you get that idea?

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                  • gabrielesvelto@mas.toG gabrielesvelto@mas.to

                    The idea of banning minors from using social media is at its heart an attempt to punish victims instead of going against the perpetrator. If minors are more easily victimized by the predatory practices of large tech corporations it's not their fault. The blame lies squarely on the corporations. They must stop using predatory practices. And that's doubly important because those practices hurt adults and minors alike.

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                    #35

                    @gabrielesvelto As I started reading this, "prosecute the predators" that you were going to go off on abusers and pedophiles. Then you clarified you meant the billionaire corporate owners, and I was like "yeah, the abusers and pedophiles"

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                    • option8@oldbytes.spaceO option8@oldbytes.space

                      @gabrielesvelto As I started reading this, "prosecute the predators" that you were going to go off on abusers and pedophiles. Then you clarified you meant the billionaire corporate owners, and I was like "yeah, the abusers and pedophiles"

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                      #36

                      @Option8 cue "They're the same picture" meme

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                      • gabrielesvelto@mas.toG gabrielesvelto@mas.to

                        The idea of banning minors from using social media is at its heart an attempt to punish victims instead of going against the perpetrator. If minors are more easily victimized by the predatory practices of large tech corporations it's not their fault. The blame lies squarely on the corporations. They must stop using predatory practices. And that's doubly important because those practices hurt adults and minors alike.

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                        #37

                        @gabrielesvelto Well said. Big IT is taking no responsibilty for the negative outcomes (often deliberately driven by algorithms) that their platforms generate.

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