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You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago

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  • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

    You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
    Turns out that was on purpose

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    jeanniewarner@wandering.shop
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    #100

    @ocean This observation of horse results is why many of us talk to using Google as a search engine more than 5 years ago. I'm not sure what year they started to let you pay to have your pages come up higher, but that was the end for many of us.

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    • urban_hermit@mstdn.socialU urban_hermit@mstdn.social

      @HeptaSean @Paradox @ocean I use a search engine in two ways: 1.) basic information like how to spell a word (auto correct on my phone is crap now - ef Google). For that even the Google AI answer is good enough. Or, 2.) Very specific information on a specific thing that is uncommon. For that Google is crap and ignores specific words in your search so it can produce more common results that it has sold more advertising for. Now even if I use quotes results still favor the 'common' answer.

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      #101

      @HeptaSean @Paradox @ocean Example: I was very sick recently and it is very obvious, for the second time in a year, that my sinuses got packed with thin mucus AFTER I tried to use acetaminophen to break the fever and clear the headache. It made my cold 500x worse and 3x longer. It was literally dangerous in how bad it affected my breathing and sleep, but I can't find information about this because results are drowned out with mundane information.

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      • urban_hermit@mstdn.socialU urban_hermit@mstdn.social

        @HeptaSean @Paradox @ocean Example: I was very sick recently and it is very obvious, for the second time in a year, that my sinuses got packed with thin mucus AFTER I tried to use acetaminophen to break the fever and clear the headache. It made my cold 500x worse and 3x longer. It was literally dangerous in how bad it affected my breathing and sleep, but I can't find information about this because results are drowned out with mundane information.

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        wrote on sidst redigeret af
        #102

        @Urban_Hermit
        There are many pages discussing that, although personally I'd reach for an antihistamine first. I'm not sure why some recommend Tylenol, and I'm sorry that happened to you.

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        • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

          You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
          Turns out that was on purpose

          sjb@mstdn.ioS This user is from outside of this forum
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          #103

          @ocean Tried to find the source and got the relevant paragraph from the court document.
          https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/sites/default/files/images/press/Google%20Search%20Engine%20Monopoly%20Ruling.pdf

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          • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

            You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
            Turns out that was on purpose

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            janetgrbr@mastodon.social
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            #104

            @ocean No I haven't googled for many years, and I don't understand why people keep using it.

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            • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

              You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
              Turns out that was on purpose

              myrmecofourmis@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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              myrmecofourmis@mastodon.social
              wrote on sidst redigeret af
              #105

              @ocean Also making it much harder for small quality websites like mine to still get traffic...

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              • darwinwoodka@mastodon.socialD darwinwoodka@mastodon.social

                @svenjacobs @ocean

                duckduckgo

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                #106

                @svenjacobs @ocean @darwinwoodka Yes, if you need to do an internet search, Duck it.

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                • msbellows@c.imM This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #107

                  @ocean Holy shzt, that's evil:

                  ""Since Google doesn't have any real competition, it can make the best information hard to find, forcing users to stay on Google for longer and interact with more ads....' The strategy appears to be working from a business perspective. The study suggests that poor organic search results actually benefit Google's bottom line in two ways: they make paid advertisements more valuable to users seeking accurate information, and they force users to refine their searches multiple
                  times, exposing them to more advertising in the process."

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                  • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

                    You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
                    Turns out that was on purpose

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                    wrote on sidst redigeret af
                    #108

                    @ocean Google has been in a downward spiral towards ever greater evil since they dropped "Don't be evil" as the company motto.

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                    • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

                      You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
                      Turns out that was on purpose

                      maxfenton@mas.toM This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #109

                      @ocean Source?

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                      • raktheundead@vmst.ioR raktheundead@vmst.io

                        @ocean: Ed Zitron wrote comprehensively on the people responsible.

                        https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-killed-google/

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                        #110

                        @raktheundead @ocean amazing article (also horrible)..
                        thanks for sharing.

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                        • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

                          You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
                          Turns out that was on purpose

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                          wrote on sidst redigeret af
                          #111

                          @ocean
                          I’m old enough to remember when people used to say “Google is your friend”. Enshittification is real and it’s on purpose.

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                          • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

                            You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
                            Turns out that was on purpose

                            stellafoxxie@oldbytes.spaceS This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #112

                            @ocean i'm convinced this happened to the search on aliexpress too

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                            • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

                              You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
                              Turns out that was on purpose

                              mark@mastodon.fixermark.comM This user is from outside of this forum
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                              mark@mastodon.fixermark.com
                              wrote on sidst redigeret af
                              #113

                              @ocean Source appears to be "The Journal Record?"

                              https://www.newsbreak.com/the-journal-record-2011012/3822949597094-is-google-making-search-worse-to-sell-more-ads

                              I'm not sure this is a topic I'm going to take WalletHub's CEO's word on. And unfortunately, the article doesn't link down to which court documents so I don't have a primary source to form an opinion on.

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                              • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

                                You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
                                Turns out that was on purpose

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                                #114

                                @ocean Their monopoly is so bad, "alterntives" are often just putting a privacy layer (hopefully) between you and the shitty Google results

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                                • itamarst@hachyderm.ioI itamarst@hachyderm.io

                                  @ocean As predicted by Brin and Page: "we expect that advertising funded search engines will be inherently biased towards the advertisers and away from the needs of the consumers." (The Anatomy of a Large-Scale Hypertextual Web Search Engine, 1998 - http://infolab.stanford.edu/~backrub/google.html)

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                                  #115

                                  @itamarst @ocean
                                  Search goes the way of modern news media.

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                                  • msbellows@c.imM msbellows@c.im

                                    @ocean Holy shzt, that's evil:

                                    ""Since Google doesn't have any real competition, it can make the best information hard to find, forcing users to stay on Google for longer and interact with more ads....' The strategy appears to be working from a business perspective. The study suggests that poor organic search results actually benefit Google's bottom line in two ways: they make paid advertisements more valuable to users seeking accurate information, and they force users to refine their searches multiple
                                    times, exposing them to more advertising in the process."

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                                    #116

                                    @msbellows @ocean It's a hypothesis, but I don't think the evidence supports the hypothesis. It ignores the fundamental idea that if Bing offers better search results than Google, people will stop using Google.

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                                    • msbellows@c.imM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #117

                                      @mark @ocean Except Betamax was better than VHS, and there's no good reason why we're not all carrying phones by Palm Pilot. The point isn't that Google is the best search service; It's that they've achieved such market dominance that they can still get away with being profitably bad.

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                                      • stellafoxxie@oldbytes.spaceS stellafoxxie@oldbytes.space

                                        @ocean i'm convinced this happened to the search on aliexpress too

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                                        #118

                                        @StellaFoxxie @ocean search in aliexpress is a good example of AI nightmare site. Search not working, descriptions is just bad poetry, the key features are hidden.
                                        Oh, also things are made crappy just to sell on that crap site, like multimode flashlights. No one use multimode, everyone hates it, yet there all of them are like that 😂
                                        Crap site grows crap items.

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                                        • msbellows@c.imM msbellows@c.im

                                          @mark @ocean Except Betamax was better than VHS, and there's no good reason why we're not all carrying phones by Palm Pilot. The point isn't that Google is the best search service; It's that they've achieved such market dominance that they can still get away with being profitably bad.

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                                          #119

                                          @msbellows @ocean I always have to smile a little when I hear Betamax was better than VHS because my family owned both.

                                          Picture quality: not noticeably better on the TVs of the time, which sucked.

                                          Hardware fidelity: Betamax tapes could melt to the read drum, ruining the machine and requiring a significant rebuild. My dad's Beta player melted down twice in the years he owned it. Never had that problem with VHS.

                                          Not the point though, because I can't think of anything about Bing that would be the equivalent to melting tape to the read drum.

                                          (Also, I owned Palm Pilots. The batteries killed them; two or three generations of them with unreliable power was enough to sour the platform).

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