#devicehoarding
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@Ralph @GeriAQuin In many cases the new device is actively worse than the old device.
I have a Pixel 9. It has a SIM slot. I could buy a Pixel 10, but it does not have a SIM slot. I would be back to carrier captivity so I didn't do that.
I have a 2007 Acura. It has a self-contained navigation system. I test drove a 2025 Accord. It has a cloud based nav with a tracking device I cannot turn off. And a monthly fee. I did not buy it.
Antifeatures. That's why we're hoarding.
@mike805 @Ralph @GeriAQuin yeah, anti-features is also why I haven't bothered to buy a new video game console in years. My old ones work just fine and have plenty of worthy games that don't require subscriptions or wifi or have microtransactions.
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@GeriAQuin didn't read. The phablet I have works, is paid off, and post-EOL probably mitigating the eye spork in what, three months?
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@GeriAQuin oh yeah the poor economy
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@GeriAQuin I'm not buying the latest greatest just because the mega wealthy want more money. If my phone works then that's fine
Calling it device hoarding is a way to make sensible consumers feel bad when they are cutting down on e-waste and saving money.
Real device hoarding is buying a new phone every few months and not selling or donating the perfectly good older ones so that they can be used by others who are don't need the latest features.
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Calling it device hoarding is a way to make sensible consumers feel bad when they are cutting down on e-waste and saving money.
Real device hoarding is buying a new phone every few months and not selling or donating the perfectly good older ones so that they can be used by others who are don't need the latest features.
@Anne_Delong @GeriAQuin I agree
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Device hoarding: You, selfishly refusing to buy the latest model iPhone every year.
NOT device hoarding: AI techbros buying up every single computer component larger than a #6-32 UNC screw for use in their data centers.
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@GeriAQuin
What a psychpath I am; I put Linux on things and extend their useful life indefinitely.
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crazy. But it kind of reminds me of how even such a capitalistic, uh, way of ridiculousness is affecting, uh, tech companies that are truly trying to be good. Fairphone is, I believe, in New Zealand, or, uh, somewhere in Europe. But I know that, uh, their biggest, uh, market is, uh, in Europe. And they recycle, uh, old minerals or old tech parts, and, uh, refurbish them into, uh, phone parts for their modular style of their phones and headsets. Um, they are rated climate neutral, and... I like them. Uh, I like the idea that there is, they were, uh, making old parts for their old phones, uh, version 1, 2, 3, 4. Uh, but ever since they released version 6, they have silently gone rid of anyone that is, uh, making those parts. Uh, whether themselves or, um, supporting outsourced, uh, vendors, and only promoted their latest version, which I believe is 700 to 800 dollars USD, and, uh, pounds. It's the same number in pounds. So, instead of the motto of it being a fair phone, whatever version you have, there will always be parts for it. So, you'll always have the ability to repair it and keep your phone until you're personally ready to move on. Has now been turned into the latest version is out. Buy it now, repair it, and then we make another version and repeat the process.
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@GeriAQuin please add an alt text to the image so people using screen readers can understand the image.
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@GeriAQuin Next up: "Spouse hoarding is damaging divorce lawyer business"
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@GeriAQuin if you don't want me to keep using my ipod then sell me a new one, i only have so much money @cstross
@ianbobmorris @GeriAQuin Psst: a 5-10 year old iPhone is a shitty phone but has more storage than the largest iPod Classic, runs Apple Music (when you're near wifi, never mind cellular), and a better DAC. A 6+ or earlier still has a 3.5mm headphone socket: for later ones, a lightning or USB-C adapter is available. The music tech is one of the less-remembered secrets of the iPhone/iPod transition that Apple got so right people forget to complain.
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@ianbobmorris @GeriAQuin Psst: a 5-10 year old iPhone is a shitty phone but has more storage than the largest iPod Classic, runs Apple Music (when you're near wifi, never mind cellular), and a better DAC. A 6+ or earlier still has a 3.5mm headphone socket: for later ones, a lightning or USB-C adapter is available. The music tech is one of the less-remembered secrets of the iPhone/iPod transition that Apple got so right people forget to complain.
@cstross @ianbobmorris @GeriAQuin
Hmmm... <Moose looks at iPhone> Ah, the current one is a secondhand 7, with no headphone jack. That's a bugger, but shows how little I use it. I shall have to dig out and repair the old 6 if I want to use iTunes on the train. (It got broken by some muppet who got on the train, took the seat opposite, and hurled his bag under the table - damaging the power connector such that it won't charge. A friend donated his 7 with dead battery as a replacement. 3:O)>
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@cstross @ianbobmorris @GeriAQuin
Hmmm... <Moose looks at iPhone> Ah, the current one is a secondhand 7, with no headphone jack. That's a bugger, but shows how little I use it. I shall have to dig out and repair the old 6 if I want to use iTunes on the train. (It got broken by some muppet who got on the train, took the seat opposite, and hurled his bag under the table - damaging the power connector such that it won't charge. A friend donated his 7 with dead battery as a replacement. 3:O)>
@Cadbury_Moose @ianbobmorris @GeriAQuin If you can find a second-hand 6s Plus, that was the peak of headphone-jack iPhone tech. Had LTE/4G so the phone will still work for a while yet (but the OS is probably too insecure for safe web browsing without adblockers). Up to 80 hours audio playback on a fresh battery according to MacTracker.
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@cstross @ianbobmorris @GeriAQuin
Hmmm... <Moose looks at iPhone> Ah, the current one is a secondhand 7, with no headphone jack. That's a bugger, but shows how little I use it. I shall have to dig out and repair the old 6 if I want to use iTunes on the train. (It got broken by some muppet who got on the train, took the seat opposite, and hurled his bag under the table - damaging the power connector such that it won't charge. A friend donated his 7 with dead battery as a replacement. 3:O)>
@cstross @ianbobmorris @GeriAQuin
As for the rest of the current setup: White MacBook 5.2 with Snow Leopard for eMail (because I like Eudora), 21.5 iMac (mid-2011) for everything else. There's a new iMac (last year) still sitting in its box awaiting the time to set it up and migrate so I can use a modern web browser. I'll get the Round Tuit from the kitchen and do that eventually.
"If it ain't broke, don't fix[1] it."
3:O)>
[1] or replace.
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@Cadbury_Moose @ianbobmorris @GeriAQuin If you can find a second-hand 6s Plus, that was the peak of headphone-jack iPhone tech. Had LTE/4G so the phone will still work for a while yet (but the OS is probably too insecure for safe web browsing without adblockers). Up to 80 hours audio playback on a fresh battery according to MacTracker.
@cstross @ianbobmorris @GeriAQuin
The 6 always used to run out of battery on trips to London if I was using it for audio playback. Some of that was probably due to it desperately trying to maintain a cell connection at 100mph or so, and you can't turn that off. 3:O(>
I did have to replace the SIM at one point to keep it working, so it might be recent enough for 4G. I'll have to open it up and see if I can re-solder the power connector.
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This is the thing, apart from the points others have made about not needing to replace things actually being a positive, what the current batch of capitalists don't seem to realise is that people need to have money to spend to keep the whole capitalist edifice going and there are only so many people you can fire and benefits you can cut or keep suppressed before it all starts to fall apart.
@adaliabooks @GeriAQuin you only get one generation of capitalists / imperialists who remember how the system works and then their overconfident idiot offspring trash it all
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@GeriAQuin What's also costing the economy is the insane component price inflation caused by the "AI" tech industry. I don't see anyone trying to fix that.
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Not just that, but every single "upgrade" seems to remove a feature or option that I actually use and may even have bought the device specifically for.
Stop removing the stuff I bought your crappy thing for in the first place. How is modern marketing and product design a sustainable business practice?
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