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  • anon_opin@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
    anon_opin@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    Not everyone can afford a smartphone. Stop making it the primary, and sometimes the only, interface for day to day services. It's like when companies move their customer facing information onto Discord. It's shit. Fucking stop it.

    cppguy@infosec.spaceC zenia@mas.toZ didek@101010.plD eeveeeuphoria@social.translunar.academyE renardboy@mastodon.socialR 14 Replies Last reply
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    • anon_opin@mastodon.socialA anon_opin@mastodon.social

      Not everyone can afford a smartphone. Stop making it the primary, and sometimes the only, interface for day to day services. It's like when companies move their customer facing information onto Discord. It's shit. Fucking stop it.

      cppguy@infosec.spaceC This user is from outside of this forum
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      @anon_opin

      Yes!

      And it's not just money. Imagine trying to use a smartphone if you had Parkinson's, or age-related macular degeneration, or mild cognitive impairment. Imagine using one if you lived with an abusive partner who demanded your Pin and punished anything he saw and didn't like. Imagine needing to get rid of your smartphone to help beat your online gambling addiction, and then finding you were locked out of modern society.

      We think too easily of new and shiny things, and we forget the people who don't fit the mould, who get left to fend for themselves.

      mattg@recurse.socialM http_error_418@hachyderm.ioH 2 Replies Last reply
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      • anon_opin@mastodon.socialA anon_opin@mastodon.social

        Not everyone can afford a smartphone. Stop making it the primary, and sometimes the only, interface for day to day services. It's like when companies move their customer facing information onto Discord. It's shit. Fucking stop it.

        zenia@mas.toZ This user is from outside of this forum
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        #3

        @anon_opin the poor people I know have no laptops, but they all have smartphones. In fact, it is their only personal computer.

        cxiao@infosec.exchangeC dalias@hachyderm.ioD rastal@mastodon.socialR ben@s.djehuti.comB 4 Replies Last reply
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        • zenia@mas.toZ zenia@mas.to

          @anon_opin the poor people I know have no laptops, but they all have smartphones. In fact, it is their only personal computer.

          cxiao@infosec.exchangeC This user is from outside of this forum
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          #4

          @zenia @anon_opin Yep that's exactly right. For most people the smartphone is the cheap, easily obtainable, capable computing device. And for most people it is where they do all their computing.

          Not everyone can afford a new flagship phone. But plenty of people afford cheap android phones

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          • zenia@mas.toZ zenia@mas.to

            @anon_opin the poor people I know have no laptops, but they all have smartphones. In fact, it is their only personal computer.

            dalias@hachyderm.ioD This user is from outside of this forum
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            #5

            @zenia @anon_opin Yeah, garbage Androids are basically free, and it's nearly impossible to get a "non-smart" phone anymore. The same conclusions apply but "can't afford" isn't the reason.

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            • cppguy@infosec.spaceC cppguy@infosec.space

              @anon_opin

              Yes!

              And it's not just money. Imagine trying to use a smartphone if you had Parkinson's, or age-related macular degeneration, or mild cognitive impairment. Imagine using one if you lived with an abusive partner who demanded your Pin and punished anything he saw and didn't like. Imagine needing to get rid of your smartphone to help beat your online gambling addiction, and then finding you were locked out of modern society.

              We think too easily of new and shiny things, and we forget the people who don't fit the mould, who get left to fend for themselves.

              mattg@recurse.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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              #6

              @CppGuy @anon_opin especially aggravating when governments do it.

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              • anon_opin@mastodon.socialA anon_opin@mastodon.social

                Not everyone can afford a smartphone. Stop making it the primary, and sometimes the only, interface for day to day services. It's like when companies move their customer facing information onto Discord. It's shit. Fucking stop it.

                didek@101010.plD This user is from outside of this forum
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                #7

                @anon_opin

                Stop demanding Apple / Google approved smartphones, this would unlock every device by side effect too.

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                • anon_opin@mastodon.socialA anon_opin@mastodon.social

                  Not everyone can afford a smartphone. Stop making it the primary, and sometimes the only, interface for day to day services. It's like when companies move their customer facing information onto Discord. It's shit. Fucking stop it.

                  eeveeeuphoria@social.translunar.academyE This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #8

                  @anon_opin@mastodon.social not even just “afford” a smartphone, i straight up do not want a smartphone. why the hell would i carry around a Distraction Rectangle when i’m fighting tooth and nail against my ADHD?

                  everything is vying for your attention, the apps are designed to do that

                  i want my phone to be purely a communications device, and it’s hard to not be tempted by apps that do more than just that. all those little app restriction things don’t work, because it’s extremely easy to just uninstall them

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                  • zenia@mas.toZ zenia@mas.to

                    @anon_opin the poor people I know have no laptops, but they all have smartphones. In fact, it is their only personal computer.

                    rastal@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #9

                    @zenia @anon_opin Arguably, they'd be better off with computers than smartphones. Smartphones aren't a substitute for computers. Smartphones are for consuming content, that's all they are good for. They aren't good for creating anything.

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                    • rastal@mastodon.socialR rastal@mastodon.social

                      @zenia @anon_opin Arguably, they'd be better off with computers than smartphones. Smartphones aren't a substitute for computers. Smartphones are for consuming content, that's all they are good for. They aren't good for creating anything.

                      zenia@mas.toZ This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #10

                      @Rastal @anon_opin I'm not going to be the one to tell them what to do with their lives. I'm just stating a fact. Poor people are more likely to have smartphones than laptops. Make mobile friendly web sites if you want them to read your content.

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                      • anon_opin@mastodon.socialA anon_opin@mastodon.social

                        Not everyone can afford a smartphone. Stop making it the primary, and sometimes the only, interface for day to day services. It's like when companies move their customer facing information onto Discord. It's shit. Fucking stop it.

                        renardboy@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #11

                        @anon_opin I'm a non-smartphone-user because I absolutely loathe the business practices of both google and apple, and it fucks me dead that we've collectively accepted you basically owe your identity to either of these two in order to fully participate in society.

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                        • anon_opin@mastodon.socialA anon_opin@mastodon.social

                          Not everyone can afford a smartphone. Stop making it the primary, and sometimes the only, interface for day to day services. It's like when companies move their customer facing information onto Discord. It's shit. Fucking stop it.

                          blind_mapmaker@eldritch.cafeB This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #12

                          @anon_opin Very true! And not everybody wants a spy device in their pocket too!

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                          • renardboy@mastodon.socialR renardboy@mastodon.social

                            @anon_opin I'm a non-smartphone-user because I absolutely loathe the business practices of both google and apple, and it fucks me dead that we've collectively accepted you basically owe your identity to either of these two in order to fully participate in society.

                            blind_mapmaker@eldritch.cafeB This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #13

                            @renardboy @anon_opin

                            Same here.

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                            • anon_opin@mastodon.socialA anon_opin@mastodon.social

                              Not everyone can afford a smartphone. Stop making it the primary, and sometimes the only, interface for day to day services. It's like when companies move their customer facing information onto Discord. It's shit. Fucking stop it.

                              matera@mastodon.sdf.orgM This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #14

                              @anon_opin
                              I, too, deplore the phonification of the Internet. However, it isn't simple.

                              Some people can't afford anything. They have two options:
                              1. Use library (or friends', or other publicly available)
                              computers.
                              2. Apply for a free Lifeline phone . 🙄

                              IMO phones give prople a false sense of freedom and ease of use. Computers also require a separtat internet connection and maintenance, and msy br scarier than fewns, partly because fyewwns are visible everywhere.

                              Discord 🤮

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                              • anon_opin@mastodon.socialA anon_opin@mastodon.social

                                Not everyone can afford a smartphone. Stop making it the primary, and sometimes the only, interface for day to day services. It's like when companies move their customer facing information onto Discord. It's shit. Fucking stop it.

                                killyourfm@layer8.spaceK This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #15

                                @anon_opin And with the current pricing crisis surrounding memory and flash storage, it's only going to get worse.

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                                • anon_opin@mastodon.socialA anon_opin@mastodon.social

                                  Not everyone can afford a smartphone. Stop making it the primary, and sometimes the only, interface for day to day services. It's like when companies move their customer facing information onto Discord. It's shit. Fucking stop it.

                                  danamcfarland@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #16

                                  @anon_opin "or you can apply for a hardware token," they said.

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                                  • anon_opin@mastodon.socialA anon_opin@mastodon.social

                                    Not everyone can afford a smartphone. Stop making it the primary, and sometimes the only, interface for day to day services. It's like when companies move their customer facing information onto Discord. It's shit. Fucking stop it.

                                    kalviter@hol.ogra.phK This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #17

                                    @anon_opin@mastodon.social borrowing from the language and ideas of Achille Mbembe and the theory of Necropolitics, doing stuff like this is a form of choosing who gets to be served and who doesn't. When that service includes public medical, financial, and housing material, developers are quite literally choosing who is allowed to die from hazards that these services are supposed to prevent.

                                    Even if it doesn't go that far, it creates a really hard limit on how I as a digital services volunteer can help people in need. If you've got a smartphone-reliant service, I can't help a person get access to that using library/public computers. The only scheme I know about (in where I live) that provides free devices for people in this position can take
                                    months to provide relief. And yet people treat smartphones like they're naturally occurring and you can just pick them off of trees smh my head

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                                    • zenia@mas.toZ zenia@mas.to

                                      @Rastal @anon_opin I'm not going to be the one to tell them what to do with their lives. I'm just stating a fact. Poor people are more likely to have smartphones than laptops. Make mobile friendly web sites if you want them to read your content.

                                      tekchip@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #18

                                      @zenia @Rastal @anon_opin the web is the most portable format (aside from plain text). Designed decently it works everywhere. The browser should facilitate accessibility. Be device agnostic.

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                                      • cppguy@infosec.spaceC cppguy@infosec.space

                                        @anon_opin

                                        Yes!

                                        And it's not just money. Imagine trying to use a smartphone if you had Parkinson's, or age-related macular degeneration, or mild cognitive impairment. Imagine using one if you lived with an abusive partner who demanded your Pin and punished anything he saw and didn't like. Imagine needing to get rid of your smartphone to help beat your online gambling addiction, and then finding you were locked out of modern society.

                                        We think too easily of new and shiny things, and we forget the people who don't fit the mould, who get left to fend for themselves.

                                        http_error_418@hachyderm.ioH This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #19

                                        @CppGuy @anon_opin 100%. If your service is online, it should be possible to conduct through a website with an app as an *option*. And if the website is harder to use then you are Doing It Wrong.

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                                        • anon_opin@mastodon.socialA anon_opin@mastodon.social

                                          Not everyone can afford a smartphone. Stop making it the primary, and sometimes the only, interface for day to day services. It's like when companies move their customer facing information onto Discord. It's shit. Fucking stop it.

                                          ariaflame@masto.aiA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #20

                                          @anon_opin For me it's when Facebook is their only access point.

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