So I’m stuck.
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@jon You go see the Chef de Bord at the next train leaving Paris, no need to queue at customer service. Try to have some sort of piece of paper with you justifying the delayed arrival of the train.
@moof I do not have paper, because the ticket office was closed. And I was booked to Maastricht, so might need a Belgian IC Bruxelles-Liege. It is not so simple!
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I just enquired: if the accident is between Sens and Montereau, why are there no trains between here and Sens? (It’s a four track electrified line the whole way to Sens)
There are trains blocking the track ahead, they claim
But why can’t they send back what’s in Sens?
Ah
Pretty much all the Eurostar trains to Bruxelles are sold out
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Ah
Pretty much all the Eurostar trains to Bruxelles are sold out
This would be the most SNCF-Eurostar thing imaginable: get past the *actual* disruption, and then be left stranded in Paris because they won't let me on a Eurostar.
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Ah
Pretty much all the Eurostar trains to Bruxelles are sold out
@jon so take the absurdly priced TGV international or travel via cologne in a shiny new ICE that sometimes runs... So many fake airlines that go there
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This would be the most SNCF-Eurostar thing imaginable: get past the *actual* disruption, and then be left stranded in Paris because they won't let me on a Eurostar.
I do have a valid Interrail (10 days in 2 months pass) that I could theoretically use, but actually HOW am I supposed to get around all these hurdles?
It is 09:30 and I am in Sens
I need to be in Maastricht by about 15:45
And it looks like there is simply no way
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I do have a valid Interrail (10 days in 2 months pass) that I could theoretically use, but actually HOW am I supposed to get around all these hurdles?
It is 09:30 and I am in Sens
I need to be in Maastricht by about 15:45
And it looks like there is simply no way
@jon But if you haven’t left Sens yet, it looks like you can’t make that even with Eurostar.
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@jon But if you haven’t left Sens yet, it looks like you can’t make that even with Eurostar.
@partim Now just left Sens. Eurostar to BXL, IC to Liege, then Drielanden to Maastricht.
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I do have a valid Interrail (10 days in 2 months pass) that I could theoretically use, but actually HOW am I supposed to get around all these hurdles?
It is 09:30 and I am in Sens
I need to be in Maastricht by about 15:45
And it looks like there is simply no way
Meanwhile I am sort of moving past Sens, adding extra delay
Does SNCF possibly think we might want to know what the hell is going on?
No! That would be far too much effort!
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@partim Now just left Sens. Eurostar to BXL, IC to Liege, then Drielanden to Maastricht.
@jon The 11:51 Eurostar goes to Liège. Maybe you can beg your way around the transfer in Brussels.
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Ah
Pretty much all the Eurostar trains to Bruxelles are sold out
@jon FWIW the amendment the senate voted through requires TOCs to accommodate delayed passengers _even if there are no seats_. unclear if it applies to international trips too. iirc coming into effect late 2027
« En cas d’absence de place disponible dans cet autre train, le voyageur se voit proposer de monter à bord, sans garantie de place assise, sous réserve du respect des obligations de sécurité incombant à l’entreprise ferroviaire concernée. »
https://www.senat.fr/amendements/2025-2026/524/Amdt_119.html
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@jon The 11:51 Eurostar goes to Liège. Maybe you can beg your way around the transfer in Brussels.
@partim That's the only hope I think! But it is sold out... Let's see how forgiving they are of a problem SNCF caused!
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Meanwhile I am sort of moving past Sens, adding extra delay
Does SNCF possibly think we might want to know what the hell is going on?
No! That would be far too much effort!
@jon you assume the SNCF knows what is going on
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Meanwhile I am sort of moving past Sens, adding extra delay
Does SNCF possibly think we might want to know what the hell is going on?
No! That would be far too much effort!
@jon kann das sein, dass sie,als,Staatsbahn den Kunden*Service nicht so ernst nimmt?
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@jon you assume the SNCF knows what is going on
@bovine3dom Based on what I have just seen, they knew *precisely* what was going on. Run on sight past Sens and the accident site just north of it, and then run normally. Which they could have communicated!
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@bovine3dom Based on what I have just seen, they knew *precisely* what was going on. Run on sight past Sens and the accident site just north of it, and then run normally. Which they could have communicated!
@jon I've read enough regulator reports to know that SNCF trains often run on sight past accidents because the driver realised it would be insane not to rather than because they have been told to do anything
but I do agree the SNCF is terrible at communicating what it does know.
Yesterday there were works on Transilien past Melun. RATP claimed no trains were running. SNCF claimed trains were running, but each train had a warning saying no trains were running. Au final il y avait des trains...
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@partim That's the only hope I think! But it is sold out... Let's see how forgiving they are of a problem SNCF caused!
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Meanwhile I am sort of moving past Sens, adding extra delay
Does SNCF possibly think we might want to know what the hell is going on?
No! That would be far too much effort!
And it is at moments like this that you realise that
COMPULSORY RESERVATION TRAINS ARE SHIT
I will happily stand the whole way from Paris to Liège, because better that than not getting there at all
But as the Eurostar is compulsory reservation I am likely not allowed on it
My need to get to my destination is higher than the mild inconvenience to some other passenger if I am standing beside them in an aisle
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And it is at moments like this that you realise that
COMPULSORY RESERVATION TRAINS ARE SHIT
I will happily stand the whole way from Paris to Liège, because better that than not getting there at all
But as the Eurostar is compulsory reservation I am likely not allowed on it
My need to get to my destination is higher than the mild inconvenience to some other passenger if I am standing beside them in an aisle
@jon or even just setting up camp on the floor. I’ve done that when desperate to get somewhere or when Avantis service fell apart.
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@jon or even just setting up camp on the floor. I’ve done that when desperate to get somewhere or when Avantis service fell apart.
@technicalotter @jon Yeah, just sit on the floor like it's Germany.
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@jon FWIW the amendment the senate voted through requires TOCs to accommodate delayed passengers _even if there are no seats_. unclear if it applies to international trips too. iirc coming into effect late 2027
« En cas d’absence de place disponible dans cet autre train, le voyageur se voit proposer de monter à bord, sans garantie de place assise, sous réserve du respect des obligations de sécurité incombant à l’entreprise ferroviaire concernée. »
https://www.senat.fr/amendements/2025-2026/524/Amdt_119.html
@bovine3dom @jon It wouldn't achieve much IMO:
- "sous réserve du respect des obligations de sécurité"
so SNCF could just claim every standing passenger is a breach of safety.
- This would be French law, not for cross-border journeys, so Eurostar could just tell the passengers to f*** off.
