The Aesthetic Rebellion
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@davidrevoy PFFFF the bird is so shocked. He's literally clutching his pearls.
I like how he doesn't love the painting because it's beautiful or well made, but because he can personally benefit from it.
Also, the hilarious irony of all the yellows in the last panel, but they're the wrong yellow for the training data.
@ToonLink
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@davidrevoy no data is ugly, all is useful for training styles.
@artsalgod I agree that crawling and training "takes it all", but I think some data are really labeled "ugly", and therefore, even if possibly generate-able back, they are often excluded because the AI company think the user wants only high quality graphics and label, something that looks pro, detailed, etc...
So, maybe there is a niche for human in the non-commercial ugly labels
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@davidrevoy Do you want to continue drawing your comics in this style? It won't be bad.
@mrdk I wish, but I would probably struggle. I'll see
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@davidrevoy You may be the frontrunner of a new art style... AntiAIism...
@Minski
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@davidrevoy This is great, I'm curious how art will change and develop coming years.
As many here, I always enjoyed your work and it was obvious from the go that they used it extensively for their models.
@spook Thank you! Yes, I share the same curiosity for the 2030's art, comic style and pop-art. I'm sure someone, somewhere, already found something that are the premise of what's to come. Something obvious, powerful that in 5 years everyone will wonder how they missed it right now. I'm jealous only thinking about it but I know this is how the world is working.
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The Aesthetic Rebellion
Bonus speedpaint: https://www.peppercarrot.com/en/miniFantasyTheater/066.html#bonus
@davidrevoy Awesome how the style gradually changes each panel!
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@realFedix @davidrevoy @catsalad these are unfortunately not reliable spylab.ai/blog/glaze/
@lunareclipse @catsalad @realFedix Yes, big +1 with Luna.
I followed Glaze/Nightshade project and papers, and it's unfortunately proprietary and not effective. Last time, I visited a school of computer science, and there was a poster showing how Nightshade was ineffective and woraround-able. Also, it's AI itself, so it needs a lot of resources to overlay the art.
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@davidrevoy Is it ok if I prefer Panel 2 Cepper?
@kabel42 Totally ok! And in the long run, this is probably how I'll start to intentionally degrade my style a bit; so I can retain a bit of context for the shading, the designs I like and the shapes. I might use also something like that on the next episode of Pepper&Carrot (thicker line-art, more lines, scribbling)
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@davidrevoy y’know what, I went to a couple of exhibitions of German expressionists last week - Franz Marc and such - and this is sort of similar.
I love it!
@slothrop Thank you. Yes, the rebellion of modern art is really something that inspire me. I don't know Franz Marc, I'll have a look, thank you!
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The Aesthetic Rebellion
Bonus speedpaint: https://www.peppercarrot.com/en/miniFantasyTheater/066.html#bonus
@davidrevoy Poisoning the training data, huh? I love it
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@davidrevoy I've been a long time fan of your work, and I've always found your style and skill to be aspirational. I was shocked and disappointed to find out all too many people were confusing it for AI.
I love what is going on in panel 3 especially with the intense prismatic color and complex textural contrasts. If this is a statement about what is to come, I'm excited to see where you go with this. If not, fuck the tin can, I still love your work as much as always.
@aeva Thank you so much for the feedback. I don't think I'll go full panel 4 for the style of my next comics; I'm still too attached to a certain type of technique in my pose, backgrounds and shading. But learning to go a little bit more rough as on panel 2, and let some surge of saturation and aliasing glitches here and there, why not. Too bad I'm not on the cyberpunk genre; this looks like easier to adapt for that than for fantasy
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@davidrevoy That art transition OMG!!!
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@smoi Merci du retour! J'étais préoccupé avant de le poster que le concept se comprenne mal; je suis très content de voir que ça fonctionne!
@davidrevoy le dernier panel c'est bien visible du coup ca m'a poussé à une seconde lecture et une étude plus approfondie du dessin et je trouve ca super cool justement. Profiter vraiment du travail sur l'illustration et pas seulement de l'histoire.
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@davidrevoy I think I've figured something that might be the reason why some people feel like your art feel generated, it's the text bubbles.
I know the text comes from SVGs since that's what you use for translations. I think this makes the text look a bit out of place, a bit too sharp. Siince GenAI uses separates layer like this to generate sensible text it can have this similar "out of place" look.
@sgued Thank you, yes, the too digital rendering of the text and the vector perfect shapes. I should probably try to play on filters. Unfortunately, for fonts, it's hard to have "irregular" edges and maintain a font. I'll have a look about it, but it is probably a lot lot work (for the translation system, and the special characters of many languages).
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@slothrop Thank you. Yes, the rebellion of modern art is really something that inspire me. I don't know Franz Marc, I'll have a look, thank you!
@davidrevoy he started becoming known as a painter around 1905, and moved from realism to more abstract expression. Died in WWI.
He was a member of the Blaue Reiter group, together with Wassily Kandinsky and August Macke, among others. They were inspired by various influences, including the French Fauvists.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Blaue_Reiter (German, as a starting point)
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@davidrevoy Poisoning the training data, huh? I love it
@yuki2501 I really hesitated to put her a 6th finger on the last panel.
Yes, I'm still processing the words of the Nepenthes dev “I’m just fed up, and you know what? Let’s fight back, even if it’s not successful. Be indigestible. Grow spikes.” Still one of my big inspiration (src: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/01/ai-haters-build-tarpits-to-trap-and-trick-ai-scrapers-that-ignore-robots-txt/ ) -
The Aesthetic Rebellion
Bonus speedpaint: https://www.peppercarrot.com/en/miniFantasyTheater/066.html#bonus
@davidrevoy I found myself lately not fixing some mistakes I would normally fix in my works and intentionally leave other mistakes how they are just to prevent people from thinking my work could be AI. It makes me sad that I can't stop thinking about stuff like that anymore.
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@davidrevoy This is so good I can't think of what to say.
I love the new style, it's beautiful, and I love the way the four panels ease into it as the story does.
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@doctormo Yes, interesting time and I hope many artists will face the challenge and see that as an opportunity to depart from the modern days AAA style of commercial "high quality graphics". There is something to do, learning from the Modern art punks, or the Punk movement directly
@davidrevoy
I think my work is already rough enough.Makes me sad, in a way.
Also reminds of something I heard about handmade weavers and other artisans: which is that they would intentionally make occasional "errors" to differentiate their work from the machine-made stuff.
I don't know how one would actually verify or refute that, but it seemed plausible enough.
Also a bit like the popularity of coarse-ground breads in the 20th century after centuries of bakers struggling to make their product purer and smoother.
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@davidrevoy I think I've figured something that might be the reason why some people feel like your art feel generated, it's the text bubbles.
I know the text comes from SVGs since that's what you use for translations. I think this makes the text look a bit out of place, a bit too sharp. Siince GenAI uses separates layer like this to generate sensible text it can have this similar "out of place" look.
@sgued@pouet.chapril.org @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
to me this is a normal looking comic font
