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  3. Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader.

Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader.

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  • R raulmatias@mstdn.social

    @WeirdWriter Not all people want or can afford beefy servers. There are also some webmasters who block crawlers/scrapers out of principle.

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    #50

    @raulmatias A solution to this is to simplify the website.

    My website had many million scraper hits at the beginning of last year (the server log parser almost couldn’t handle that), and all that happened was that it switched to the reduced interface (which it needs anyway to stay online when a big site links to it: don’t want to lose all traffic in case of such a happy accident).

    I pay about 8€ per month for the server. It’s a plain LAMP stack, maintained by the hoster.
    @WeirdWriter

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    • weirdwriter@caneandable.socialW weirdwriter@caneandable.social

      Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader. I did try the demo. If you want me to remove your RSS feed, this is the best font to prevent blind people from reading your blog/words. That timer is an inaccessible solution. https://shieldfont.org/#hero #AI #LLM #Accessibility #A11y

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      #51

      @WeirdWriter computers can do one thing exceedingly good. For years. Looking up one thing in a table to substitute it for something else.

      Not only does this approach not work for any kind of visually impaired person, I would argue it also does not even fulfil its original goal. I am relatively certain that the included patterns are easy enough to resolve automatically.

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      • weirdwriter@caneandable.socialW weirdwriter@caneandable.social

        Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader. I did try the demo. If you want me to remove your RSS feed, this is the best font to prevent blind people from reading your blog/words. That timer is an inaccessible solution. https://shieldfont.org/#hero #AI #LLM #Accessibility #A11y

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        #52

        @WeirdWriter It doesn't even work, except for the extremely basic scrapers. I made a screenshot of the demo, and both classic OCR (tesseract) and a modern tiny LLM running in my PC both recognize the text very quickly. There's already models and applications out there dedicated to scraping visually (and I haven't used a scrapper, just a very small and very dumb general purpose LLM).

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        • weirdwriter@caneandable.socialW weirdwriter@caneandable.social

          Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader. I did try the demo. If you want me to remove your RSS feed, this is the best font to prevent blind people from reading your blog/words. That timer is an inaccessible solution. https://shieldfont.org/#hero #AI #LLM #Accessibility #A11y

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          #53

          @WeirdWriter I love the idea, but it's not worth making the internet less accessible.

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          • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

            @WeirdWriter I love the idea, but it's not worth making the internet less accessible.

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            #54
            @alice @WeirdWriter 🎯
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            • 2something@transfem.social2 2something@transfem.social

              @WeirdWriter@caneandable.social

              I'm not blind but I have my browser set to ignore website fonts because there are many I have trouble reading, so I see scrambled text too.

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              #55

              @2something @WeirdWriter I have JS turned off, so the demo on the main page was hellish.

              My friend needs a custom font to help with his dyslexia. This too, fucks him over.
              Another friend who checks things with a machine translator when she's uncertain, is also screwed.

              This declares them both inhuman. I'm fine, I'm therian, but I sure as fuck try not to be ableist, and I'm sick and fucking tired of 'humanity' being pulled away from any path not 'standard'.

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              • weirdwriter@caneandable.socialW weirdwriter@caneandable.social

                Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader. I did try the demo. If you want me to remove your RSS feed, this is the best font to prevent blind people from reading your blog/words. That timer is an inaccessible solution. https://shieldfont.org/#hero #AI #LLM #Accessibility #A11y

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                #56

                @WeirdWriter mhh
                And screen Readers for disabled people?

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                • 2something@transfem.social2 2something@transfem.social

                  @WeirdWriter@caneandable.social

                  I'm not blind but I have my browser set to ignore website fonts because there are many I have trouble reading, so I see scrambled text too.

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                  #57

                  @2something @WeirdWriter at the very least, I would not exclude that the reader will render the wrong version because of this or any other reason. Which means I would hesitate to use it for anything important. So why use it at all...

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                  • weirdwriter@caneandable.socialW weirdwriter@caneandable.social

                    Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader. I did try the demo. If you want me to remove your RSS feed, this is the best font to prevent blind people from reading your blog/words. That timer is an inaccessible solution. https://shieldfont.org/#hero #AI #LLM #Accessibility #A11y

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                    #58

                    @WeirdWriter it's unfortunate that AI can make use of accessible design to steal content, but I think on balance I'd rather stick with accessible design.

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                    • weirdwriter@caneandable.socialW weirdwriter@caneandable.social

                      Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader. I did try the demo. If you want me to remove your RSS feed, this is the best font to prevent blind people from reading your blog/words. That timer is an inaccessible solution. https://shieldfont.org/#hero #AI #LLM #Accessibility #A11y

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                      #59

                      @WeirdWriter Another case of LLMs ruining the commons

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                      • arnebab@rollenspiel.socialA arnebab@rollenspiel.social

                        @jpaskaruk and it will not prevent the AI at all, because they can just store the text, recognize the special case, and voilà: a solution that only works for AI and some humans, but excludes other humans.

                        @WeirdWriter

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                        #60

                        @ArneBab @jpaskaruk @WeirdWriter If the decoy text amounts to an unvarying word substitution cipher, any AI model seeing enough cases of it should be able to trivially solve it.

                        If for any reason that fails, AI owners who also own captcha farms will be able to have humans working for pennies display the text on a splitscreen, one with JS enabled and one not so as to show both texts at once. They can then list what decoy words go with what real ones and feed that back to the AI.

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                        • weirdwriter@caneandable.socialW weirdwriter@caneandable.social

                          LMFAO! You really can't make this shit up at this point! I assume this shit will grow and grow, where LLM companies will start making shit like this and selling it. Honestly? The best route would be to go the way of Star Breaker, at starbreaker.org and just allow all the scrapes, all the ingestions, etc. @unkx

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                          #61

                          @WeirdWriter @unkx next step: Ask Skynet to develop a cure for the next pandemic.

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                          • weirdwriter@caneandable.socialW weirdwriter@caneandable.social

                            Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader. I did try the demo. If you want me to remove your RSS feed, this is the best font to prevent blind people from reading your blog/words. That timer is an inaccessible solution. https://shieldfont.org/#hero #AI #LLM #Accessibility #A11y

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                            #62

                            @WeirdWriter im confused? It sounds like they implement a screen reader bypass and are actively seeking help to improve it? Is that not a good thing?

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                            • trebach@functional.cafeT trebach@functional.cafe

                              @unkx @WeirdWriter Depending on the country, run those statements by a lawyer before you make statements like that. Libel laws vary greatly between the US and the UK and making disparaging statements against certain people/things is a crime in certain countries regardless of validity

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                              #63

                              @trebach @unkx @WeirdWriter this only works when we speak ill of the diaper Don Dada and his merry band of kiddy diddling circus clowns.

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                              • weirdwriter@caneandable.socialW weirdwriter@caneandable.social

                                Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader. I did try the demo. If you want me to remove your RSS feed, this is the best font to prevent blind people from reading your blog/words. That timer is an inaccessible solution. https://shieldfont.org/#hero #AI #LLM #Accessibility #A11y

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                                #64

                                @WeirdWriter sometimes, I like to jumble up my sentences to train the ai incorrectly. They'll start speaking like drunk Yoda soon enough

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                                • R raulmatias@mstdn.social

                                  @WeirdWriter Why do these people badly re-invent the wheel in the first place when there's already Iocaine <https://iocaine.madhouse-project.org/>?

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                                  #65

                                  @raulmatias @WeirdWriter thats an interesting tool!

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                                  • chrishenrichs@norden.socialC chrishenrichs@norden.social

                                    @WeirdWriter @unkx next step: Ask Skynet to develop a cure for the next pandemic.

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                                    #66

                                    @ChrisHenrichs @WeirdWriter a true silicon valley entrepreneur would first ask skynet to develop the next pandemic, and then sell the cure for it. As a subscription naturally.

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                                    • weirdwriter@caneandable.socialW weirdwriter@caneandable.social

                                      Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader. I did try the demo. If you want me to remove your RSS feed, this is the best font to prevent blind people from reading your blog/words. That timer is an inaccessible solution. https://shieldfont.org/#hero #AI #LLM #Accessibility #A11y

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                                      #67

                                      @WeirdWriter once I saw people posting about that blocker thing my first thought was "is this going to make things illegible for screen readers?". Sad to have my fears confirmed

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                                      • weirdwriter@caneandable.socialW weirdwriter@caneandable.social

                                        Yep! It reminds me of captchas all over again. Does fuck all to stop bots but people will use it anyway. I maintain the best thing is to do what this blogger did, no blockers at all https://starbreaker.org/colophon.html @2something

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                                        #68

                                        @WeirdWriter @2something
                                        Thank YOU, Robert, for bringing starbreaker.org to my attention.
                                        Just my cup of tea, and wonderful to finally be aware of it.

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                                        • weirdwriter@caneandable.socialW weirdwriter@caneandable.social

                                          Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader. I did try the demo. If you want me to remove your RSS feed, this is the best font to prevent blind people from reading your blog/words. That timer is an inaccessible solution. https://shieldfont.org/#hero #AI #LLM #Accessibility #A11y

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                                          #69

                                          @WeirdWriter @yo_bj honestly the stupidest idea, breaks every legit digital tool while AI crawlers will just start screencapping and OCRing everything

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