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  • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF This user is from outside of this forum
    feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    Bluesky are openly welcoming, verifying and hosting accounts of prominent far right politicians. Trump's VP Vance is now on Bluesky:

    https://bsky.app/profile/jd-vance-1.bsky.social

    "We welcome the Vice President to the conversation on Bluesky" (Bluesky in their email to Fox News)

    More 🚩: Bluesky is centralised, run by a for-profit corporation, its CEO has blockchain background, it is partly owned by VCs & Blockchain Capital.

    Bluesky are going down exactly the same Nazi Bar path as Twitter.

    (via @mastodonmigration)

    mcwabbit@tenforward.socialM pamela1960@kolektiva.socialP t_robinart@mastodon.artT eh__tweet@mastodon.unoE ibboard@hachyderm.ioI 11 Replies Last reply
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    • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

      Bluesky are openly welcoming, verifying and hosting accounts of prominent far right politicians. Trump's VP Vance is now on Bluesky:

      https://bsky.app/profile/jd-vance-1.bsky.social

      "We welcome the Vice President to the conversation on Bluesky" (Bluesky in their email to Fox News)

      More 🚩: Bluesky is centralised, run by a for-profit corporation, its CEO has blockchain background, it is partly owned by VCs & Blockchain Capital.

      Bluesky are going down exactly the same Nazi Bar path as Twitter.

      (via @mastodonmigration)

      mcwabbit@tenforward.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
      mcwabbit@tenforward.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
      mcwabbit@tenforward.social
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      #2

      @FediTips @mastodonmigration Not surprising that they open him with open arms "to the conversation".
      As if you can converse in a meaningful way with fascists. 🙄

      I wonder what happens should he or anyone from that sickening regime joins a fediverse instance.

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      • mcwabbit@tenforward.socialM mcwabbit@tenforward.social

        @FediTips @mastodonmigration Not surprising that they open him with open arms "to the conversation".
        As if you can converse in a meaningful way with fascists. 🙄

        I wonder what happens should he or anyone from that sickening regime joins a fediverse instance.

        feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF This user is from outside of this forum
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        #3

        @McWabbit

        If Vance joined a Fediverse instance, and the instance admin didn't kick him off, other instances would defederate that instance.

        But this isn't possible on Bluesky because it's centralised.

        alexia@app.wafrn.netA dideldum@mastodon.onlineD alchemistsstudio@mstdn.socialA 3 Replies Last reply
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        • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

          Bluesky are openly welcoming, verifying and hosting accounts of prominent far right politicians. Trump's VP Vance is now on Bluesky:

          https://bsky.app/profile/jd-vance-1.bsky.social

          "We welcome the Vice President to the conversation on Bluesky" (Bluesky in their email to Fox News)

          More 🚩: Bluesky is centralised, run by a for-profit corporation, its CEO has blockchain background, it is partly owned by VCs & Blockchain Capital.

          Bluesky are going down exactly the same Nazi Bar path as Twitter.

          (via @mastodonmigration)

          pamela1960@kolektiva.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
          pamela1960@kolektiva.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
          pamela1960@kolektiva.social
          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #4

          @FediTips @mastodonmigration Vance is already blocked by tens of thousands of users of Bsky

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          • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

            Bluesky are openly welcoming, verifying and hosting accounts of prominent far right politicians. Trump's VP Vance is now on Bluesky:

            https://bsky.app/profile/jd-vance-1.bsky.social

            "We welcome the Vice President to the conversation on Bluesky" (Bluesky in their email to Fox News)

            More 🚩: Bluesky is centralised, run by a for-profit corporation, its CEO has blockchain background, it is partly owned by VCs & Blockchain Capital.

            Bluesky are going down exactly the same Nazi Bar path as Twitter.

            (via @mastodonmigration)

            t_robinart@mastodon.artT This user is from outside of this forum
            t_robinart@mastodon.artT This user is from outside of this forum
            t_robinart@mastodon.art
            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #5

            @FediTips @mastodonmigration
            I wonder how long lefties now wait to leave and consider mastodon. There were some that joined but abandoned or left their accounts as soon as bluesky became a thing.

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            • pamela1960@kolektiva.socialP pamela1960@kolektiva.social

              @FediTips @mastodonmigration Vance is already blocked by tens of thousands of users of Bsky

              feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF This user is from outside of this forum
              feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF This user is from outside of this forum
              feditips@social.growyourown.services
              wrote sidst redigeret af feditips@social.growyourown.services
              #6

              @Pamela1960

              It doesn't matter whether he's blocked by people who hate him, what matters is he isn't blocked by the people he is trying to reach.

              By hosting and welcoming him, Bluesky are legitimising his presence and making it easier for him to radicalise people who are on the fence.

              More at https://social.chinwag.org/@FediThing/112581263140051643

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              • t_robinart@mastodon.artT t_robinart@mastodon.art

                @FediTips @mastodonmigration
                I wonder how long lefties now wait to leave and consider mastodon. There were some that joined but abandoned or left their accounts as soon as bluesky became a thing.

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                renpanda@mastodon.social
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                #7

                @t_robinart @FediTips @mastodonmigration I sadly think many will just assume that wherever they move, the same will happen and they give up. I know too many who think Mastodon is too complicated for a « mass » move. But I’m crossing my fingers!

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                • R renpanda@mastodon.social

                  @t_robinart @FediTips @mastodonmigration I sadly think many will just assume that wherever they move, the same will happen and they give up. I know too many who think Mastodon is too complicated for a « mass » move. But I’m crossing my fingers!

                  feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF This user is from outside of this forum
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                  feditips@social.growyourown.services
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #8

                  @renpanda @t_robinart

                  If you know someone who is interested but finds it intimidating or overwhelming, I would be happy to help. The website at https://fedi.tips is written for non-technical people for example, and I'm happy to directly answer specific questions 🙂

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                  • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                    Bluesky are openly welcoming, verifying and hosting accounts of prominent far right politicians. Trump's VP Vance is now on Bluesky:

                    https://bsky.app/profile/jd-vance-1.bsky.social

                    "We welcome the Vice President to the conversation on Bluesky" (Bluesky in their email to Fox News)

                    More 🚩: Bluesky is centralised, run by a for-profit corporation, its CEO has blockchain background, it is partly owned by VCs & Blockchain Capital.

                    Bluesky are going down exactly the same Nazi Bar path as Twitter.

                    (via @mastodonmigration)

                    eh__tweet@mastodon.unoE This user is from outside of this forum
                    eh__tweet@mastodon.unoE This user is from outside of this forum
                    eh__tweet@mastodon.uno
                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #9

                    @FediTips @mastodonmigration
                    No need to post the link to the BS profile, then.

                    feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF 1 Reply Last reply
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                    • eh__tweet@mastodon.unoE eh__tweet@mastodon.uno

                      @FediTips @mastodonmigration
                      No need to post the link to the BS profile, then.

                      feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF This user is from outside of this forum
                      feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF This user is from outside of this forum
                      feditips@social.growyourown.services
                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #10

                      @Eh__tweet

                      That's a fair point and I did wonder for a while whether or not to link directly to the account.

                      I posted the link because it proves he's there and active (he had briefly been blocked because BS thought it was fake), it proves he's hosted by Bluesky and it proves he's been verified by Bluesky.

                      The link is a smoking gun of Bluesky's behaviour, so it seemed on balance best to post it.

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                      • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                        @McWabbit

                        If Vance joined a Fediverse instance, and the instance admin didn't kick him off, other instances would defederate that instance.

                        But this isn't possible on Bluesky because it's centralised.

                        alexia@app.wafrn.netA This user is from outside of this forum
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                        alexia@app.wafrn.net
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                        #11

                        Hello feditips.

                        I am a moderator at this instance you see me posting from, app.wafrn.net.

                        We have optional (read: opt-in) bluesky integration and we have just banned JD Vance

                        Yes, we can do that. Because yes, Bluesky is just a bit more open than you make it out to be 🙂

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                        • alexia@app.wafrn.netA alexia@app.wafrn.net

                          Hello feditips.

                          I am a moderator at this instance you see me posting from, app.wafrn.net.

                          We have optional (read: opt-in) bluesky integration and we have just banned JD Vance

                          Yes, we can do that. Because yes, Bluesky is just a bit more open than you make it out to be 🙂

                          feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF This user is from outside of this forum
                          feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF This user is from outside of this forum
                          feditips@social.growyourown.services
                          wrote sidst redigeret af feditips@social.growyourown.services
                          #12

                          @alexia

                          That's a bridge, not actual federation.

                          And blocking just Vance is not defederation. It does nothing to isolate the instance that is hosting him and platforming him. If you want to defederate, you need to block the entire bsky.social instance.

                          alexia@app.wafrn.netA dame_@mastodon.socialD 2 Replies Last reply
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                          • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                            Bluesky are openly welcoming, verifying and hosting accounts of prominent far right politicians. Trump's VP Vance is now on Bluesky:

                            https://bsky.app/profile/jd-vance-1.bsky.social

                            "We welcome the Vice President to the conversation on Bluesky" (Bluesky in their email to Fox News)

                            More 🚩: Bluesky is centralised, run by a for-profit corporation, its CEO has blockchain background, it is partly owned by VCs & Blockchain Capital.

                            Bluesky are going down exactly the same Nazi Bar path as Twitter.

                            (via @mastodonmigration)

                            ibboard@hachyderm.ioI This user is from outside of this forum
                            ibboard@hachyderm.ioI This user is from outside of this forum
                            ibboard@hachyderm.io
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                            #13

                            @FediTips (I know it's blue-ticked, but…) that very good, serious and trustworthy looking handle of "jd-vance-1.bsky.app" 😐

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                            • ibboard@hachyderm.ioI ibboard@hachyderm.io

                              @FediTips (I know it's blue-ticked, but…) that very good, serious and trustworthy looking handle of "jd-vance-1.bsky.app" 😐

                              feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF This user is from outside of this forum
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                              feditips@social.growyourown.services
                              wrote sidst redigeret af feditips@social.growyourown.services
                              #14

                              @ibboard

                              Yeah, they briefly blocked him because they thought it was fake.

                              As soon as Bluesky found out it was really Vance they restored and verified the account, and then emailed Fox News to say they welcome him.

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                              • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                                @alexia

                                That's a bridge, not actual federation.

                                And blocking just Vance is not defederation. It does nothing to isolate the instance that is hosting him and platforming him. If you want to defederate, you need to block the entire bsky.social instance.

                                alexia@app.wafrn.netA This user is from outside of this forum
                                alexia@app.wafrn.netA This user is from outside of this forum
                                alexia@app.wafrn.net
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                                #15

                                No, we are not a bridge, here read our source code:

                                https://github.com/gabboman/wafrn/tree/main/packages/backend/atproto

                                We ingest the firehose directly, we interact with bluesky directly. You can even view bluesky accounts like, say, bluesky's own directly: https://app.wafrn.net/blog/@bsky.app

                                Notice how there's no bridgy in there? You can check my profile on the bluesky side at https://bsky.app/profile/alexia.at.app.wafrn.net too ← Notice how there's no bridgy here either?

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                                • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                                  @Eh__tweet

                                  That's a fair point and I did wonder for a while whether or not to link directly to the account.

                                  I posted the link because it proves he's there and active (he had briefly been blocked because BS thought it was fake), it proves he's hosted by Bluesky and it proves he's been verified by Bluesky.

                                  The link is a smoking gun of Bluesky's behaviour, so it seemed on balance best to post it.

                                  wraithe@mastodon.socialW This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  wraithe@mastodon.social
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                                  #16

                                  @FediTips @Eh__tweet If you don’t want to link directly to the account, you can link to the ClearSky page, which also gives you things like “How many people/Lists are blocking the account”

                                  https://clearsky.app/jd-vance-1.bsky.social/blocked-by

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                                  • alexia@app.wafrn.netA alexia@app.wafrn.net

                                    No, we are not a bridge, here read our source code:

                                    https://github.com/gabboman/wafrn/tree/main/packages/backend/atproto

                                    We ingest the firehose directly, we interact with bluesky directly. You can even view bluesky accounts like, say, bluesky's own directly: https://app.wafrn.net/blog/@bsky.app

                                    Notice how there's no bridgy in there? You can check my profile on the bluesky side at https://bsky.app/profile/alexia.at.app.wafrn.net too ← Notice how there's no bridgy here either?

                                    feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    feditips@social.growyourown.services
                                    wrote sidst redigeret af feditips@social.growyourown.services
                                    #17

                                    @alexia

                                    If you are federating, are you now going to defederate bsky.social?

                                    Or are you okay with them platforming fascists?

                                    Are you going to take a stand on this or not?

                                    alexia@app.wafrn.netA gabboman@app.wafrn.netG 3 Replies Last reply
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                                    • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                                      @alexia

                                      If you are federating, are you now going to defederate bsky.social?

                                      Or are you okay with them platforming fascists?

                                      Are you going to take a stand on this or not?

                                      alexia@app.wafrn.netA This user is from outside of this forum
                                      alexia@app.wafrn.netA This user is from outside of this forum
                                      alexia@app.wafrn.net
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                                      #18

                                      Well to answer that we must first look at how bsky.social is just the auto-assigned domains for new users

                                      the underlying servers are all hosted at subdomains of .bsky.network, luckily mary-ext / mary.my.id has a neat lil' GitHub repo that collects them all in one place: https://github.com/mary-ext/atproto-scraping?tab=readme-ov-file#bluesky-hosted-servers

                                      Now if we wanna specifically exclude content from the PDS that JD Vance is on, all I'd have to do is look up which one of these PDS instances vance's account is, nuke it from our database and stop ingesting content from that PDS through the firehose

                                      For reference, we can use https://pdsls.dev to look up JD's server and determine it to be https://woodear.us-west.host.bsky.network/

                                      problem is, unlike how fedi tends to work, the underlying PDS instances are assigned automatically; Vance didn't choose that PDS, it was chosen for him. As such straight up blocking this PDS from being indexed has about the same impact as blocking a large Mastodon instance like mastodon.social or something along those lines would have: We would hit lots of people that have nothing to do with vance, or are even actively blocking and shaming him

                                      Now you are right in the observation that Bluesky PBLLC is choosing to platform vance, jesse singal and others; Their moderation is very akin to centrist beliefs, and as such quite weak in protecting especially those most vulnerable.

                                      It's just that from a technical standpoint with how ATProto works, it doesn't quite make as much sense to block the server vance is currently on, it makes much more sense to block the account and associated did:plc identity ← This makes sure that even IF vance moves his account (although I'd doubt it) to another PDS, he will stay blocked on our infra.


                                      #bluesky
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                                      • alexia@app.wafrn.netA alexia@app.wafrn.net

                                        Well to answer that we must first look at how bsky.social is just the auto-assigned domains for new users

                                        the underlying servers are all hosted at subdomains of .bsky.network, luckily mary-ext / mary.my.id has a neat lil' GitHub repo that collects them all in one place: https://github.com/mary-ext/atproto-scraping?tab=readme-ov-file#bluesky-hosted-servers

                                        Now if we wanna specifically exclude content from the PDS that JD Vance is on, all I'd have to do is look up which one of these PDS instances vance's account is, nuke it from our database and stop ingesting content from that PDS through the firehose

                                        For reference, we can use https://pdsls.dev to look up JD's server and determine it to be https://woodear.us-west.host.bsky.network/

                                        problem is, unlike how fedi tends to work, the underlying PDS instances are assigned automatically; Vance didn't choose that PDS, it was chosen for him. As such straight up blocking this PDS from being indexed has about the same impact as blocking a large Mastodon instance like mastodon.social or something along those lines would have: We would hit lots of people that have nothing to do with vance, or are even actively blocking and shaming him

                                        Now you are right in the observation that Bluesky PBLLC is choosing to platform vance, jesse singal and others; Their moderation is very akin to centrist beliefs, and as such quite weak in protecting especially those most vulnerable.

                                        It's just that from a technical standpoint with how ATProto works, it doesn't quite make as much sense to block the server vance is currently on, it makes much more sense to block the account and associated did:plc identity ← This makes sure that even IF vance moves his account (although I'd doubt it) to another PDS, he will stay blocked on our infra.


                                        #bluesky
                                        feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        feditips@social.growyourown.services
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                                        #19

                                        @alexia

                                        "As such straight up blocking this PDS from being indexed has about the same impact as blocking a large Mastodon instance like mastodon.social or something along those lines would have: We would hit lots of people that have nothing to do with vance, or are even actively blocking and shaming him"

                                        ...in other words, too big to defederate?

                                        That's a copout answer, shame on you.

                                        If mastodon.social was hosting Vance, other instances would be defederating them including mine.

                                        feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF daemon_nova@labyrinth.zoneD 2 Replies Last reply
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                                        • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                                          @alexia

                                          If you are federating, are you now going to defederate bsky.social?

                                          Or are you okay with them platforming fascists?

                                          Are you going to take a stand on this or not?

                                          gabboman@app.wafrn.netG This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          gabboman@app.wafrn.net
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                                          #20

                                          We take care of moderation ok ishly.

                                          The model there is different than here same way they federate in a different way than us

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