Truck drivers across Norway are going to be congesting roads by driving at 40kph in the Easter holidays to protest record-high fuel prices caused by the Trump administration.
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@david_preston @ketan But the climate, now, it IS.
And it doesn't play well with diesel.
@tina @ketan Norway has done very well to electrify a lot of it's cars with grants and incentives and extensive charging points, this hasn't happened in trucking yet obviously so I think it's fair to protest the cost of diesel. I don't think Norwegian truckers are the enemy and I don't think they are against climate preservation or electric lorries but maybe their protest will make some of the Norwegian politicians look into grants for the purchase of electric heavy duty transportation.
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@ketan
The economics of big electric trucks are less favourable than Diesels.
Thus far.
(6 tonnes of battery reduces payload, and it is payload tonnes cruising at 60mph that governs profitability in trucking)This may be adjusted, may change, and surely has some use cases (volume loads of light mass?) where it has already changed.
@Photo55 @ketan For the UK the numbers I saw were way higher purchase costs 25% of the running costs and much less downtime for servicing. Most of our trips are under 600km a day and it depends on having the charging infrastructure in the right places. As the charging gets sorted the low running costs will do the rest and in turn pull down purchase prices
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@Photo55 @ketan For the UK the numbers I saw were way higher purchase costs 25% of the running costs and much less downtime for servicing. Most of our trips are under 600km a day and it depends on having the charging infrastructure in the right places. As the charging gets sorted the low running costs will do the rest and in turn pull down purchase prices
@etchedpixels @ketan
There are all-up weight limits on ours.
There is a nicely worked example on the Web, I can't point at it this moment.For smaller trucks doing stop-start deliveries in urban traffic, combustion is obsolescent already.
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@Photo55 @ketan For the UK the numbers I saw were way higher purchase costs 25% of the running costs and much less downtime for servicing. Most of our trips are under 600km a day and it depends on having the charging infrastructure in the right places. As the charging gets sorted the low running costs will do the rest and in turn pull down purchase prices
@etchedpixels @Photo55 @ketan less servicing downtime is very valuable, especially if you are not large enough for a large fleet.
Alternative options to make Electric more competitive:
1/ Overhead lines (like electric trains) for sections of motorway meaning you need only a small battery to get you through the gaps and to your destination. Trialed in Germany a few years ago.
2/ Trains...
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@etchedpixels @Photo55 @ketan less servicing downtime is very valuable, especially if you are not large enough for a large fleet.
Alternative options to make Electric more competitive:
1/ Overhead lines (like electric trains) for sections of motorway meaning you need only a small battery to get you through the gaps and to your destination. Trialed in Germany a few years ago.
2/ Trains...
3. An increase in the speed limit on motorways for electric large trucks of 2 mph (or a reduction of 2mph in the Eurolimiter-governed) limit for Diesel ones, or both.
4. An increase in permitted all-up weight for electric trucks which might need to be 4 tonnes.
With respect, you were looking at the wrong things, nice though they are. Logistics outranks TCO
Some of it is in the conclusions here
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0739885926000247But Diesel price is very important also.
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3. An increase in the speed limit on motorways for electric large trucks of 2 mph (or a reduction of 2mph in the Eurolimiter-governed) limit for Diesel ones, or both.
4. An increase in permitted all-up weight for electric trucks which might need to be 4 tonnes.
With respect, you were looking at the wrong things, nice though they are. Logistics outranks TCO
Some of it is in the conclusions here
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0739885926000247But Diesel price is very important also.
@Photo55 @etchedpixels @ketan with respect I wasn't but sure, go tell people they're wrong in field where there is no clear right/wrong.
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@Photo55 @etchedpixels @ketan with respect I wasn't but sure, go tell people they're wrong in field where there is no clear right/wrong.
My apologies.
And that explains why the motorways are nose to tail electric HGVs -
Truck drivers across Norway are going to be congesting roads by driving at 40kph in the Easter holidays to protest record-high fuel prices caused by the Trump administration.
If a climate activist mentioned the *possibility* of doing this in a group chat they'd be jailed and fined millions within hours
https://www.nrk.no/sorlandet/_dieselbrolet_-er-i-gang-_-saktegaende-trafikk-flere-steder-1.17827420
@ketan Ah yes, because this is totally the citizens of Norway's fault. /s.
Perhaps they'd have better luck at the US Embassy.
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@CorioPsicologia @ketan Farmers certainly have more claim on fossil fuel use than Americans driving lifted pickup trucks to go to work in office cubicles.
@Patrickoldhiker @CorioPsicologia @ketan
they tried this in my bit of England a year or two ago, on the A12 highway between Suffolk/Essex and London.
It had near 0 effect, as the roads are often so congested anyway no one really noticed the traffic was going that much slower
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@tina @ketan Norway has done very well to electrify a lot of it's cars with grants and incentives and extensive charging points, this hasn't happened in trucking yet obviously so I think it's fair to protest the cost of diesel. I don't think Norwegian truckers are the enemy and I don't think they are against climate preservation or electric lorries but maybe their protest will make some of the Norwegian politicians look into grants for the purchase of electric heavy duty transportation.
Quote: "Det er mulig at ikke alle er klar over hvor enkelt det er å søke om støtte til elektrisk lastebil, så vi ønsker å forklare prosessen noe nærmere. "
Or: 95% of those who apply for government support to buy an electric truck has gotten a positive answer, with between 70 000 and 160 000 Euro paid out.
So there are grants, and fairly big ones. The question is will.
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Truck drivers across Norway are going to be congesting roads by driving at 40kph in the Easter holidays to protest record-high fuel prices caused by the Trump administration.
If a climate activist mentioned the *possibility* of doing this in a group chat they'd be jailed and fined millions within hours
https://www.nrk.no/sorlandet/_dieselbrolet_-er-i-gang-_-saktegaende-trafikk-flere-steder-1.17827420
I sure hope Norwegian electeds get the message on how important this is and take some action to end Trump.
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Truck drivers across Norway are going to be congesting roads by driving at 40kph in the Easter holidays to protest record-high fuel prices caused by the Trump administration.
If a climate activist mentioned the *possibility* of doing this in a group chat they'd be jailed and fined millions within hours
https://www.nrk.no/sorlandet/_dieselbrolet_-er-i-gang-_-saktegaende-trafikk-flere-steder-1.17827420
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My apologies.
And that explains why the motorways are nose to tail electric HGVs@Photo55 @etchedpixels @ketan yes, they're not because noone listened to your genius /s
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Quote: "Det er mulig at ikke alle er klar over hvor enkelt det er å søke om støtte til elektrisk lastebil, så vi ønsker å forklare prosessen noe nærmere. "
Or: 95% of those who apply for government support to buy an electric truck has gotten a positive answer, with between 70 000 and 160 000 Euro paid out.
So there are grants, and fairly big ones. The question is will.
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Truck drivers across Norway are going to be congesting roads by driving at 40kph in the Easter holidays to protest record-high fuel prices caused by the Trump administration.
If a climate activist mentioned the *possibility* of doing this in a group chat they'd be jailed and fined millions within hours
https://www.nrk.no/sorlandet/_dieselbrolet_-er-i-gang-_-saktegaende-trafikk-flere-steder-1.17827420
@ketan On the good side of things, these guys have probably never driven as fuel-efficiently as today!
