New rule at BSD Cafe: Do not promote AI
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@announcements Hi, I know the answer to my question likely requires only one web search, but humans have always been better pointers.
Which documentation and resources would you recommend to someone who has never installed or even played with BSD?
Which distro is more beginner-friendly?
I have average Linux knowledge (Debian and Debian-based). I wouldn't called it advanced but I have been using it for 20 years without major issues. The command line doesn't scare me either.
@s1m0n4 I think the easiest to get started with is probably FreeBSD. On the other hand if you’ve got 20 years of Linux experience and are comfortable with the command line probably all of them are fine choices. Support for laptop hardware is likely to be a bit variable but not completely unusable. (You have to be a bit more careful about choice of WiFi card, etc., than on modern Linux I think.)
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@announcements then why is your avatar and profile background generated?
@hbons There is something that only a couple of friends know, and I think it is time to make it public. At the beginning of the project, a few people wanted to contribute some images.
One of them was an artist who, unfortunately, has had their ability to create content severely limited by a degenerative illness. When they sent me their work, I felt that the human value of making this person feel useful again outweighed the risk that some of the content might have been, or might possibly have been, generated or assisted by AI. It was early 2023.
There was already some controversy about this some time ago, and this person eventually left the Fediverse altogether. Although they were not attacked directly, they felt attacked.
I have changed the images to avoid any further issues. But this is exactly why I believe witch hunts do not get us very far: the AI gurus keep using and abusing these tools to make money in ways I consider unethical, while this person, who for a while had felt useful again, has fallen back into their (semi-)isolation.
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@hbons There is something that only a couple of friends know, and I think it is time to make it public. At the beginning of the project, a few people wanted to contribute some images.
One of them was an artist who, unfortunately, has had their ability to create content severely limited by a degenerative illness. When they sent me their work, I felt that the human value of making this person feel useful again outweighed the risk that some of the content might have been, or might possibly have been, generated or assisted by AI. It was early 2023.
There was already some controversy about this some time ago, and this person eventually left the Fediverse altogether. Although they were not attacked directly, they felt attacked.
I have changed the images to avoid any further issues. But this is exactly why I believe witch hunts do not get us very far: the AI gurus keep using and abusing these tools to make money in ways I consider unethical, while this person, who for a while had felt useful again, has fallen back into their (semi-)isolation.
@announcements @hbons This is very sweet and sad.
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@announcements @hbons This is very sweet and sad.
@coreysnipes @announcements @hbons this is one of the reasons why we want to promote positivity. It's full of people having problems, full of people living bad lives. We don't want to deny this. But, when here, we want to make sure they can have a good time, feel among friends without continuously having to fight wars.
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@hbons There is something that only a couple of friends know, and I think it is time to make it public. At the beginning of the project, a few people wanted to contribute some images.
One of them was an artist who, unfortunately, has had their ability to create content severely limited by a degenerative illness. When they sent me their work, I felt that the human value of making this person feel useful again outweighed the risk that some of the content might have been, or might possibly have been, generated or assisted by AI. It was early 2023.
There was already some controversy about this some time ago, and this person eventually left the Fediverse altogether. Although they were not attacked directly, they felt attacked.
I have changed the images to avoid any further issues. But this is exactly why I believe witch hunts do not get us very far: the AI gurus keep using and abusing these tools to make money in ways I consider unethical, while this person, who for a while had felt useful again, has fallen back into their (semi-)isolation.
@announcements thanks for the clarification and hope they’re doing well.
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@coreysnipes @announcements @hbons this is one of the reasons why we want to promote positivity. It's full of people having problems, full of people living bad lives. We don't want to deny this. But, when here, we want to make sure they can have a good time, feel among friends without continuously having to fight wars.
@stefano @announcements @hbons Agreed; it's important to have spaces like that. And that kind of culture is hard to maintain. Thanks for doing what you do.
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@announcements thanks for the clarification and hope they’re doing well.
@hbons @announcements unfortunately, the physical conditions won't improve. But their mood is good enough and we kept in touch.
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@hbons There is something that only a couple of friends know, and I think it is time to make it public. At the beginning of the project, a few people wanted to contribute some images.
One of them was an artist who, unfortunately, has had their ability to create content severely limited by a degenerative illness. When they sent me their work, I felt that the human value of making this person feel useful again outweighed the risk that some of the content might have been, or might possibly have been, generated or assisted by AI. It was early 2023.
There was already some controversy about this some time ago, and this person eventually left the Fediverse altogether. Although they were not attacked directly, they felt attacked.
I have changed the images to avoid any further issues. But this is exactly why I believe witch hunts do not get us very far: the AI gurus keep using and abusing these tools to make money in ways I consider unethical, while this person, who for a while had felt useful again, has fallen back into their (semi-)isolation.
@announcements @hbons Bruh the new one is AI-generated too
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New rule at BSD Cafe: Do not promote AI
BSD Cafe prefers to define itself by what it supports, rather than by what it opposes.
We support people, open technologies, decentralisation, technological independence, privacy, user control, the sharing of knowledge, and communities where technology remains a tool rather than becoming the authority.
For these reasons, we cannot support the current direction of AI and the ecosystem surrounding it.
Much of today's AI technology is developed and controlled by a very small number of extremely large companies, through an unprecedented concentration of computing power, data, infrastructure, and capital. This creates dependencies that are fundamentally at odds with many of the values this community was built around.
We are also seeing increasingly direct consequences for people. Skilled professionals are losing work to automated systems. Organisations are becoming dependent on services they cannot inspect, understand, or control. AI-generated technical advice is often presented with confidence while lacking essential context. Automation is being used to scale abuse, manipulation, spam, and attacks.
At the same time, fear of these threats can itself push people and organisations towards a handful of large centralised providers, further reinforcing the same concentration of power.
The problem is not simply the existence of artificial intelligence as a technology. The problem is how these technologies are currently being developed, deployed, controlled, marketed, and increasingly presented as an inevitable replacement for human skills, judgement, creativity, and interaction.
Too often, the message coming from the companies selling these systems is essentially: *this is inevitable, it will replace what you do, and you will have to adapt to it whether you want to or not.*
At the BSD Cafe, we believe there must always be another choice.
For this reason, we ask members **not to use BSD Cafe to promote, advertise, or evangelise AI services, or the idea that replacing human work and decision-making with AI is inherently desirable, inevitable, or something everyone should simply accept.**
This does not prevent discussion.
But please do not use this community to promote the current AI-driven model of technological centralisation and human replacement.
**"Own your data" and the current state of AI are simply not compatible.**
@announcements this response really makes me want to try BSD
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@announcements @hbons Bruh the new one is AI-generated too
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