I lost track of a mix, so I better start over.
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I lost track of a mix, so I better start over. This was a project I started before discovering my "low latency-first" approach to producing, so I had a lot of plugins which made it hard to play new parts with a usable latency. So I started de-activating plugins, added a less cpu hungry alternative and now I don't really know which way to go.
I should probably start over, and build a new mix from the ground up. That would also be fun to try.
But I have learned one thing... (1/2)
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I lost track of a mix, so I better start over. This was a project I started before discovering my "low latency-first" approach to producing, so I had a lot of plugins which made it hard to play new parts with a usable latency. So I started de-activating plugins, added a less cpu hungry alternative and now I don't really know which way to go.
I should probably start over, and build a new mix from the ground up. That would also be fun to try.
But I have learned one thing... (1/2)
Especially after Wine 11 Yabridge is even more stable. So it can be tempting to drag in more windows plugins, but there is a tendency for the plugins to use more CPU when being used through Yabridge.
I have mentioned before that I was working on a low-latency-friendly template, and it turns out to be a good approach as a whole, if your computer has limited power.
Make a list of plugins from least CPU to most CPU. Always start with the less CPU alternative, then Native, then Yabridge last.
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Especially after Wine 11 Yabridge is even more stable. So it can be tempting to drag in more windows plugins, but there is a tendency for the plugins to use more CPU when being used through Yabridge.
I have mentioned before that I was working on a low-latency-friendly template, and it turns out to be a good approach as a whole, if your computer has limited power.
Make a list of plugins from least CPU to most CPU. Always start with the less CPU alternative, then Native, then Yabridge last.
@mosgaard Sadly, this is part of what put the kibosh on my attempt at switching to Linux
I can't work like that - I'm musicianing, not computer resource managing & for me the latter gets too much in the way of the former... -
@mosgaard Sadly, this is part of what put the kibosh on my attempt at switching to Linux
I can't work like that - I'm musicianing, not computer resource managing & for me the latter gets too much in the way of the former...@jwcph @mosgaard I'm a computer programmer. I use Linux everyday. But for music I'm still on windows. I could obviously manage to get things working on Linux. Especially because I almost only use the computer as a multi track recorder as I mix on an analog desk with outboard fx. But I'm still on windows because my time for music is for music and not for fiddling with software.
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@jwcph @mosgaard I'm a computer programmer. I use Linux everyday. But for music I'm still on windows. I could obviously manage to get things working on Linux. Especially because I almost only use the computer as a multi track recorder as I mix on an analog desk with outboard fx. But I'm still on windows because my time for music is for music and not for fiddling with software.
@doktorlond @jwcph I don't feel this gets in the way of me being a musician or making music (or being a music producer, composer or what ever in this matter). I feel it's more about me getting to know my instrument, the benefits and the limitations.
But I wouldn't have thought of this, if it wasn't for Bitwigs mixer (screenshot). This has more been a bad habbit of mine, rather than a limitation of Linux. I would run out of CPU on my Mac too, but wouldn't know what to do about it.
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@doktorlond @jwcph I don't feel this gets in the way of me being a musician or making music (or being a music producer, composer or what ever in this matter). I feel it's more about me getting to know my instrument, the benefits and the limitations.
But I wouldn't have thought of this, if it wasn't for Bitwigs mixer (screenshot). This has more been a bad habbit of mine, rather than a limitation of Linux. I would run out of CPU on my Mac too, but wouldn't know what to do about it.
@mosgaard @doktorlond @jwcph hm that's odd, I use a gazillion plugins and rarely run out of cpu. maybe you can isolate which ones eat the most, and replace those with lighter alternatives?
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@doktorlond @jwcph I don't feel this gets in the way of me being a musician or making music (or being a music producer, composer or what ever in this matter). I feel it's more about me getting to know my instrument, the benefits and the limitations.
But I wouldn't have thought of this, if it wasn't for Bitwigs mixer (screenshot). This has more been a bad habbit of mine, rather than a limitation of Linux. I would run out of CPU on my Mac too, but wouldn't know what to do about it.
@mosgaard @doktorlond We're all different, fortunately - I'm glad for everybody not limited by these things as I am
Does the little pie next to the plugin indicate CPU use? Because yes, that's pretty cool
I also quickly ran out of juice in Garageband & Ardour, but it almost never happens in Reaper on the same decade-old Mac. That app is flippin' ballah (it can show CPU use, too, but in a separate window - I'm sure you can tweak the UI but I don't wanna
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@mosgaard @doktorlond @jwcph hm that's odd, I use a gazillion plugins and rarely run out of cpu. maybe you can isolate which ones eat the most, and replace those with lighter alternatives?
@bazkie @doktorlond @jwcph on this Laptop it's not that rare in a project with 30 tracks and +60 plugins. It's no problem when I hit the mix phase, since I can just change the block size.
But when I need to record something, it's important to make sure I can get a low enough latency, to use software monitoring, since there is no monitoring in my audio interface on Linux.
I would have the exact same problem on a mac, where I would freeze and flatten to solve it.
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@mosgaard @doktorlond We're all different, fortunately - I'm glad for everybody not limited by these things as I am
Does the little pie next to the plugin indicate CPU use? Because yes, that's pretty cool
I also quickly ran out of juice in Garageband & Ardour, but it almost never happens in Reaper on the same decade-old Mac. That app is flippin' ballah (it can show CPU use, too, but in a separate window - I'm sure you can tweak the UI but I don't wanna
).@jwcph @doktorlond the icon shows if the plugin is in use or not. The number bellow (1.3 ms) shows if the plugins on the track, adds additional latency to playback.
Fabfilter Pro-L adds 60 ms latency, so I'll save that for later
I would say I'm lucky I don't have deadline at the moment, so I'm not in a hurry and can just goof around. It makes me less irritated when I need to change habits, to make this work.
Switching to Bitwig takes the most adjusting in my case.
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@bazkie @doktorlond @jwcph on this Laptop it's not that rare in a project with 30 tracks and +60 plugins. It's no problem when I hit the mix phase, since I can just change the block size.
But when I need to record something, it's important to make sure I can get a low enough latency, to use software monitoring, since there is no monitoring in my audio interface on Linux.
I would have the exact same problem on a mac, where I would freeze and flatten to solve it.
@mosgaard @doktorlond @jwcph ah okay, yes that IS a huge amount of tracks
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@mosgaard @doktorlond @jwcph ah okay, yes that IS a huge amount of tracks
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@doktorlond @bazkie @mosgaard @jwcph Chonky.
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@ambientspace @doktorlond @bazkie @jwcph it might (or might not) be #LinuxBonk actually. Takes a lot of tracks…
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@ambientspace @doktorlond @bazkie @jwcph it might (or might not) be #LinuxBonk actually. Takes a lot of tracks…
@mosgaard @ambientspace @doktorlond @bazkie I tend to stack up quite a few tracks, too - the project I'm working on right now is 40 tracks, 50-some-odd plugins
I helps (or doesn't help) that I put drumkits/machines on individual tracks, but I also record acoustic guitar with two mics; if there's a few parts it adds up...
