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People keep sharing an image of a bird with a drop of water bursting on its head like a crown.

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  • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

    People keep sharing an image of a bird with a drop of water bursting on its head like a crown. It's AI, but people share it in good faith, believing it’s an amazing photo by a human of a real bird in a real moment of time. Meanwhile, humans who have taken amazing photos of real birds captured in real moments of time, like a hummingbird in ballet with a butterfly, get questioned in good faith by people who are tired of being cheated by AI-deceit. The way AI has broken social trust is distressing.

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    #12

    @CiaraNi not that I don’t believe you, since it did seem a bit far fetched, but provenance link on the analysis it’s A.I. generated?

    And yes, people sharing fair stuff is depressing. Why do people do this? I don’t get it.

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    • mikal@sfba.socialM mikal@sfba.social

      @CiaraNi

      I saw that bird with drop of water picture and knew instantly, as anyone who is familiar with birds and rain and nature would know, that it was machine generated. The drop is way too big and the bird would have flinched in that split second. Birds react fast!

      Machine slop will probably have an insidious, long-term effect of decreasing people's appreciation of nature because everything will be thought to be fake. In fact, nature is replete with incredible beauty that you won't know about if you spend all day slop-scrolling

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      #13

      @Mikal Same here. It was well done in the sense that you couldn't see obvious technical signs of AI. It did look like an actual photo. But the shape of the drop was too obviously not real. Or so I thought. Lots of people believed it. But nature is incredible, so no doubt some other time I'll see a photo I trust as an amazing Wildlife Photo of the Year that someone else spots as fake.

      "Nature is replete with incredible beauty that you won't know about if you spend all day slop-scrolling" - yes!

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      • amorpheus@kind.socialA amorpheus@kind.social

        @CiaraNi @jwcph For that picture, when I first saw it, the text to it was the actual deceiving part, claiming the "photo was taken".

        Without any text, it would have been nothing but an image. With text, it became a deception.

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        #14

        @Amorpheus @jwcph I think both parts are deception. Even without text explicitly claiming it was a photo, the person posting knows it is being presented as a photo and will be seen as a photo of a real moment in time.

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        • gokushrm@mastodon.socialG gokushrm@mastodon.social

          @CiaraNi lots of people oppose many things on social media platform but they do it in real life. Human nature.. Very few sticks to what they said.

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          #15

          @GOKUSHRM I hope we don't get to the stage of normalising AI use and AI deception as acceptable or 'that's just the way it is, whatcha gonna do' though.

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          • ralphbassfeld@swiss.socialR ralphbassfeld@swiss.social

            @CiaraNi it’s the same with text. On Reddit, when you write a coherent comment or deeper analysis, people will accuse you of using AI.

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            #16

            @RalphBassfeld Yes, deeper and longer text attracts questions now, thanks to all the unnecessarily wordy AI slop being generated. It's a difficult one. The use and abuse of AI means we have credible reason to doubt incredible content. We question a text or photo. If it's not AI, then we have 'accused' someone unfairly. If it is AI, then we have 'exposed' deceit fairly. We can't know which until we pose the question.

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            • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

              @RalphBassfeld Yes, deeper and longer text attracts questions now, thanks to all the unnecessarily wordy AI slop being generated. It's a difficult one. The use and abuse of AI means we have credible reason to doubt incredible content. We question a text or photo. If it's not AI, then we have 'accused' someone unfairly. If it is AI, then we have 'exposed' deceit fairly. We can't know which until we pose the question.

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              #17

              @CiaraNi I know of recruiters who are thinking of changing the recruiting process because most CVs and motivation letters are all written by AI nowadays

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              • awws@mastodon.socialA awws@mastodon.social

                @CiaraNi not that I don’t believe you, since it did seem a bit far fetched, but provenance link on the analysis it’s A.I. generated?

                And yes, people sharing fair stuff is depressing. Why do people do this? I don’t get it.

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                #18

                @awws I blocked it, but if you have access, there's more information in replies in the thread.

                Edited to add: If I was wrong and it is a real photo with a verified source and photographer, please let me know so that I can correct my original toot.

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                • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

                  @GOKUSHRM I hope we don't get to the stage of normalising AI use and AI deception as acceptable or 'that's just the way it is, whatcha gonna do' though.

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                  #19

                  @CiaraNi I don't have issue with those using AI. The only thing is if someone using ai thn pls admit it. That's all.

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                  • ralphbassfeld@swiss.socialR ralphbassfeld@swiss.social

                    @CiaraNi I know of recruiters who are thinking of changing the recruiting process because most CVs and motivation letters are all written by AI nowadays

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                    #20

                    @RalphBassfeld I've heard of this too, and similar situations in other industries and jobs. The amount of human time wasted on either end of all this AI-generated slop and nonsense is terrible.

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                    • elduvelle@neuromatch.socialE elduvelle@neuromatch.social

                      @CiaraNi we should report the post and hopefully it will get taken down!

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                      #21

                      @elduvelle It came by my timeline a few times with ever-increasing numbers of people in the replies flagging it as fake. The poster didn't respond. I looked at her timeline and she seems to post lots of images that don't seem to be her own work and at least some seem to be AI-generated. So I just blocked her.

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                      • gokushrm@mastodon.socialG gokushrm@mastodon.social

                        @CiaraNi I don't have issue with those using AI. The only thing is if someone using ai thn pls admit it. That's all.

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                        #22

                        @GOKUSHRM Agreed, that people should clearly flag AI-generated content as AI. We'll have to agree to disagree on the use of GAI in the first place. I choose not to use it voluntarily because I think it's unethical and unenvironmental.

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                        • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

                          People keep sharing an image of a bird with a drop of water bursting on its head like a crown. It's AI, but people share it in good faith, believing it’s an amazing photo by a human of a real bird in a real moment of time. Meanwhile, humans who have taken amazing photos of real birds captured in real moments of time, like a hummingbird in ballet with a butterfly, get questioned in good faith by people who are tired of being cheated by AI-deceit. The way AI has broken social trust is distressing.

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                          #23

                          @CiaraNi
                          I fckn knew it!!

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                          • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

                            People keep sharing an image of a bird with a drop of water bursting on its head like a crown. It's AI, but people share it in good faith, believing it’s an amazing photo by a human of a real bird in a real moment of time. Meanwhile, humans who have taken amazing photos of real birds captured in real moments of time, like a hummingbird in ballet with a butterfly, get questioned in good faith by people who are tired of being cheated by AI-deceit. The way AI has broken social trust is distressing.

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                            #24

                            @CiaraNi I noticed this most quickly in the weird sections of Pinterest and YouTube, content on yetis, aliens and skeletons of giants became absolutely saturated by AI within what seemed only months. Appreciate that wasn't a highly integral area of photography even before AI, but still, in the last couple years it's been effectively killed off entirely.

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                            • awws@mastodon.socialA awws@mastodon.social

                              @CiaraNi not that I don’t believe you, since it did seem a bit far fetched, but provenance link on the analysis it’s A.I. generated?

                              And yes, people sharing fair stuff is depressing. Why do people do this? I don’t get it.

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                              #25

                              @awws @CiaraNi In this case it's mostly the other way round: The provenance trying to show that it's not A.I. was wrong. The instance I saw attributed it to a pair of photographers who actually do take these kind of bird photos. But misspelled his name. And it wasn't on the Facebook feed claimed to be from. And on photos he puts out, he embeds his logo. He's also relatively well-known. The chances of him taking *that* photo and not publishing it wide and proud with his branding are … slim.

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                              • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

                                @GOKUSHRM Agreed, that people should clearly flag AI-generated content as AI. We'll have to agree to disagree on the use of GAI in the first place. I choose not to use it voluntarily because I think it's unethical and unenvironmental.

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                                #26

                                @CiaraNi yup.. Everyone is there free to use whatever thay what to use, but atleast admit it clearly that we are using ai or anything.

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                                • gokushrm@mastodon.socialG gokushrm@mastodon.social

                                  @CiaraNi yup.. Everyone is there free to use whatever thay what to use, but atleast admit it clearly that we are using ai or anything.

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                                  #27

                                  @GOKUSHRM Yes, agreed!

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                                  • henryk@chaos.socialH henryk@chaos.social

                                    @awws @CiaraNi In this case it's mostly the other way round: The provenance trying to show that it's not A.I. was wrong. The instance I saw attributed it to a pair of photographers who actually do take these kind of bird photos. But misspelled his name. And it wasn't on the Facebook feed claimed to be from. And on photos he puts out, he embeds his logo. He's also relatively well-known. The chances of him taking *that* photo and not publishing it wide and proud with his branding are … slim.

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                                    #28

                                    @awws @CiaraNi Which, IMHO, is the depressing part: Someone went to some troubles to lie about the provenance on purpose.

                                    Doing "Hey, check out this bird" is one thing. A "posted by $name on her Facebook" is quite another.

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                                    • tenpasttwo@mas.toT tenpasttwo@mas.to

                                      @CiaraNi I noticed this most quickly in the weird sections of Pinterest and YouTube, content on yetis, aliens and skeletons of giants became absolutely saturated by AI within what seemed only months. Appreciate that wasn't a highly integral area of photography even before AI, but still, in the last couple years it's been effectively killed off entirely.

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                                      #29

                                      @TenPastTwo It's depressing! I am thinking back almost fondly to the not-long-ago days when a deceptive photo would have required actual Photoshop skills and visual artistry. Only a minority of people had access to a photo-editing program that was processional enough. Of them, only a minority had the skills to meddle with an image so well that other people wondered: 'is it real or not?' Generative AI is an entirely different problem, both the scale of the technology and the abuse of it.

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                                      • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

                                        People keep sharing an image of a bird with a drop of water bursting on its head like a crown. It's AI, but people share it in good faith, believing it’s an amazing photo by a human of a real bird in a real moment of time. Meanwhile, humans who have taken amazing photos of real birds captured in real moments of time, like a hummingbird in ballet with a butterfly, get questioned in good faith by people who are tired of being cheated by AI-deceit. The way AI has broken social trust is distressing.

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                                        #30

                                        @CiaraNi I'm usually good at spotting AI, but that one looked so real.

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                                        • henryk@chaos.socialH henryk@chaos.social

                                          @awws @CiaraNi In this case it's mostly the other way round: The provenance trying to show that it's not A.I. was wrong. The instance I saw attributed it to a pair of photographers who actually do take these kind of bird photos. But misspelled his name. And it wasn't on the Facebook feed claimed to be from. And on photos he puts out, he embeds his logo. He's also relatively well-known. The chances of him taking *that* photo and not publishing it wide and proud with his branding are … slim.

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                                          #31

                                          @henryk @awws That's a plausible and likely analysis. And it's depressing that we are even in this situation, where people have to spend time and energy trying to work out what's likely and real in the first place.

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