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People keep sharing an image of a bird with a drop of water bursting on its head like a crown.

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  • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

    People keep sharing an image of a bird with a drop of water bursting on its head like a crown. It's AI, but people share it in good faith, believing it’s an amazing photo by a human of a real bird in a real moment of time. Meanwhile, humans who have taken amazing photos of real birds captured in real moments of time, like a hummingbird in ballet with a butterfly, get questioned in good faith by people who are tired of being cheated by AI-deceit. The way AI has broken social trust is distressing.

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    #103

    @CiaraNi #AI is #clankers 🤖 all the way down, which is why #wankers love 💕 it *so much*.

    #Resist #AIslop.

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    • capnthommo@c.imC capnthommo@c.im

      @weirdmustard @CiaraNi it's certainly making me question every image I see of a species new to me. Not only birds.

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      #104

      @capnthommo @weirdmustard Such a depressing situation we find ourselves in

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      • stveje@mstdn.socialS stveje@mstdn.social

        @fgraver @CiaraNi I couldn't tell if it was real or not at first either. I thought it looked too perfect to be true, but I really wasn't sure. I had to read the comments to convince myself it was AI, and it makes me so sad that we can't just enjoy pretty/funny pictures of cute birbs anymore.

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        #105

        @stveje @fgraver

        'It makes me so sad that we can't just enjoy pretty/funny pictures of cute birbs anymore.' - agreed, very much agreed. Sources of joy have become something energy-draining and frustrating.

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        • stekopf@mstdn.socialS stekopf@mstdn.social

          @FrutigerAero00 @CiaraNi @VerenaRupp

          I was also doubting whether it's real or AI (it has to be a quite big droplet for such a solid crown - or maybe it were two?).
          I can't confirm the image, but I trust the poster.

          So, if this is any good, then it - again - shows how important trust is.

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          #106

          @stekopf Agreed - it really does show how important trust is. I would be so happy to learn that I am wrong, that this is not a manipulated fake image, that this lovely moment on earth happened and was captured in less than a second by a talented human with a camera. So far, though, everything points to a fake and nobody can verify the image or source.

          @FrutigerAero00 @VerenaRupp

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          • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

            People keep sharing an image of a bird with a drop of water bursting on its head like a crown. It's AI, but people share it in good faith, believing it’s an amazing photo by a human of a real bird in a real moment of time. Meanwhile, humans who have taken amazing photos of real birds captured in real moments of time, like a hummingbird in ballet with a butterfly, get questioned in good faith by people who are tired of being cheated by AI-deceit. The way AI has broken social trust is distressing.

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            #107

            @CiaraNi It's the other way around. AI is one of the results of a broken social trust.

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            • F frutigeraero00@mastodon.social

              @CiaraNi And now today, i've learned a new scammy way to put genai that seems reliable, which is, putting fake names on the post so it seems valid.

              We need to start asking for link sources for this kind of photos and art!

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              #108

              @FrutigerAero00

              "We need to start asking for link sources for this kind of photos and art"

              I've unthinkingly developed the habit of looking for signs of human involvement in, for example, Alt Texts and available background information. An unnaturally perfect image with a Would Win Awards composition and style? I'll trust it if the tooter's other photos have a similar style or quality and if the Alt Text says something like 'our last Summer in Paris', and not just 'Sunset'.

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              • remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR remittancegirl@mstdn.social

                @CiaraNi Amazingly well stated and exemplified!

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                #109

                @Remittancegirl You are kind - thank you!

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                • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

                  A few people have questioned whether I am right to say that the image of a drop of water bursting on a bird's head like a crown actually is AI-generated. They think I may be wrong. That it is not faked. That it is real.

                  If I'm wrong, if it really is an unmanipulated photo by a verified human photographer, please do let me know so that I can correct myself and my toot.

                  (All this uncertainty is part of the whole problem. We all spend so much human time & energy trying to act in good faith.)

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                  #110

                  @CiaraNi I don’t remember the “artist” that was given credit for that image, but her “portfolio” was shared in a discussion about the image. The “portfolio” was full with AI images presented as normal photos.

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                  • weirdmustard@flipping.rocksW weirdmustard@flipping.rocks

                    @capnthommo @CiaraNi Cant count the times I've silently accused ppl of posting AI pics of especially beautiful and colorful insects before looking at some other observations and finding that yea, sometimes that species is really that vividly colorful. Doesn't help that photo editors now use "AI" to enhance details either.

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                    #111

                    @weirdmustard @capnthommo

                    'Doesn't help that photo editors now use "AI" to enhance details either.'

                    Good point. That adds another layer of difficulty these days when knowing what to trust.

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                    • F frutigeraero00@mastodon.social

                      @stekopf @CiaraNi @VerenaRupp Yeah, its normal if you see an image online and post it bc you think its real. Just like when they gave you a fake bill (or banknote?)

                      But to leave doubts it would be a good practice to leave sources with links to verify it. It benefits everyone if we are now more careful linking and sourcing images and content.

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                      #112

                      @FrutigerAero00 @stekopf @VerenaRupp

                      'It would be a good practice to leave sources with links to verify it. It benefits everyone if we are now more careful linking and sourcing images and content'

                      Agreed

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                      • dsilverz@calckey.worldD dsilverz@calckey.world

                        @CiaraNi@mastodon.green

                        This makes me wonder: to which extent is the Macaulay Library (Cornell Lab of Ornithology) curated enough so these photos are all real-world moments of real-world avians? I ask this because, as of recently, I've been using it as a image search engine for pictures of Strigidae (true owls) especially for drawing purposes (art based on real aspects of real species).

                        Many of the amazing photos I've been finding there contains EXIF data disclosing hardware (camera) and geographical (location) info, which (especially camera and sensors info) is some evidence that these are real photos and not AI-generated pictures...

                        ...but I'm also aware that metadata can be counterfeited, seemingly non-captive scenes (a feeling of wrath emerges inside me every time I see photos of owls in captivity and/or chained/bound because they're meant to be free) can be staged, our senses can be deceived... Welp, a constant Cartesian conundrum that just ends up pushing me more into Luciferian-Gnosticism because, in the end of the day, nothing truly exists in this damn cosmic existence.

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                        #113

                        @dsilverz Yikes, that would be a whole other layer of deception - falsifying EXIF data. I would normally trust that, but I suppose if the stakes are high enough, somebody is bound to try that.

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                        • arratoon@beige.partyA arratoon@beige.party

                          @CiaraNi @RalphBassfeld “Unnecessarily wordy” - shit, I think In Search of Lost Time may be AI slop too! 😉

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                          #114

                          @arratoon @RalphBassfeld 17 A4-pages worth of an email sent to customer service with irrelevant AI-generated questions about some basic service is most definitely not Proust

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                          • kreatorfangirls@metalhead.clubK kreatorfangirls@metalhead.club

                            @FrutigerAero00 @CiaraNi The bird's head is convex when seen from the outside.

                            But what's in that image still doesn't match anything from the fluid mechanics I learned in school.

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                            #115

                            @kreatorfangirls @FrutigerAero00 Yes, the consensus does seem to be this. That the drop of water would only fall and disperse in that shape if it fell on flat surface of more water.

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                            • oisin@mastodon.ieO oisin@mastodon.ie

                              @CiaraNi That's shite.

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                              #116

                              @oisin Shite is the right word for it. Absolutely agreed.

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                              • fgraver@hcommons.socialF fgraver@hcommons.social

                                @CiaraNi @stveje Based on what you and others have pointed out, I doubt you’re wrong. Unfortunately.

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                                #117

                                @fgraver @stveje I'd be so happy to be wrong. I'd love to think that lovely split-second moment of graceful life on earth was real.

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                                • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

                                  @Amorpheus @jwcph Agreed. That's true. The use of text further manipulates us

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                                  #118

                                  @CiaraNi @Amorpheus indeed - the deliberate deceit is what cements the harmful effect; the most insane things are possible, if unlikely & it's taking away our capacity for wonder. Remember this pic? That's real, however fake it looks & it's flippin amazing - we should enjoy those things, not immediately assume they're part of somebody's malice.

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                                  • elaterite@mastoart.socialE elaterite@mastoart.social

                                    @CiaraNi I'm not sure it's AI. It looks more like a poorly done composite to me. I would guess AI would do a better job, maybe? Totally agree with you on what AI has done to trust.

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                                    #119

                                    @elaterite It may well be manipulated, rather than generated from scratch. Someone in the thread says it's faked out of two separate photos. Either way, it appears to be fake. No verified original real photo source seems to be available. And either way, I am depressed at what all this has has done to trust, as you say. Especially the way it creates mistrust towards human photographers who share some fab photo and get asked 'is that AI?'

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                                    • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

                                      @Mary_Amado92 What a vicious circle we're in!

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                                      #120

                                      @CiaraNi I work with AI everyday. I'm so sick of it. I am a UX Designer and I work for a multinational. Now, using AI every single day, I feel like I'm working at Google or Microsoft training their models and not for the company I'm at. It's ridiculous... The pressure, the bad results it gives us, the hallucinations... I need to be in alert mode to check for errors and mistakes. That's my job now.

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                                      • shadowdancer@mstdn.socialS shadowdancer@mstdn.social

                                        @CiaraNi
                                        Divide & conquer. A classic and an all time favourite of faschists and tyrants.

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                                        #121

                                        @shadowdancer Yes

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                                        • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

                                          People keep sharing an image of a bird with a drop of water bursting on its head like a crown. It's AI, but people share it in good faith, believing it’s an amazing photo by a human of a real bird in a real moment of time. Meanwhile, humans who have taken amazing photos of real birds captured in real moments of time, like a hummingbird in ballet with a butterfly, get questioned in good faith by people who are tired of being cheated by AI-deceit. The way AI has broken social trust is distressing.

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                                          #122

                                          @CiaraNi@mastodon.green

                                          cc
                                          @qualia@floofy.tech you were right

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