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  • urlyman@mastodon.socialU urlyman@mastodon.social

    @CiaraNi @tsturm

    I dunno. Some of it is conscious, by the most lost people. But I think it’s mostly the aggregated property of what most of us do at the individual scale.

    A billion “yeah I could do the low carbon thing but there are ‘reasons’ why this journey, this meeting, this purchase can’t do that”.

    What we most critically lack are contexts in which to talk about why our ‘reasons’ are dust and what to do about it

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    @urlyman
    With the simple and easily implemented scheme of "polluter pays" you would find people's minds wonderfully concentrated on this kind of conversation.

    Apart from EU emissions trading and CBAM there has not been much of this. Moneyed interests axed it in Canada. Revenue should of course be paid out as UBI.
    @CiaraNi @tsturm

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    • urlyman@mastodon.socialU urlyman@mastodon.social

      @pietkuip

      I’m not giving young people a pass. I’m saying I understand how they get swept along in the activities we’ve told them are the markers of success, and I cut them slack because of it.

      The very little that an individual can do is how we come to be where we are, through trillions of very little but destructive and destabilising things.

      We *must* choose differently. But every person, young and old, has to reach their own epiphany on it

      @marjon @CiaraNi

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      @urlyman @pietkuip @marjon

      "The very little that an individual can do is how we come to be where we are, through trillions of very little but destructive and destabilising things." Yes. Well put. We must indeed choose differently, including individually.

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      • experimentmapass@social.trom.tfE experimentmapass@social.trom.tf
        @tompearce49 @CiaraNi @annaf @marjon I am fully aware of this too. It is the awareness of this reality, and the lack of meaningful change, that scares me witless.
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        @experimentmapass This resonates. It is very unnerving to see the lack of meaningful change.

        @tompearce49 @annaf @marjon

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        • richpuchalsky@mastodon.socialR richpuchalsky@mastodon.social

          @CiaraNi

          An organized mass boycott, sure. But not individual action.

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          @richpuchalsky They are the same thing. A mass boycott is just a collection of individual actions.

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          • doubletreble@cupoftea.socialD doubletreble@cupoftea.social

            @CiaraNi @jakobtougaard @TCatInReality
            And the a holiday in your own Country became a 'Staycation'
            Which was all my childhood holidays, and our childrens too, camping around the UK.
            Which they tell us they loved 🥰🥰

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            #120

            @DoubleTreble Yes! Childhood holidays in the countryside in our own country are happy memories that stay with us for years.

            @jakobtougaard @TCatInReality

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            • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

              @DoubleTreble Yes! Childhood holidays in the countryside in our own country are happy memories that stay with us for years.

              @jakobtougaard @TCatInReality

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              @CiaraNi @jakobtougaard @TCatInReality
              Sadly they're no longer seen as 'proper' holidays 🤔

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              • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

                @urlyman @pietkuip @marjon

                "The very little that an individual can do is how we come to be where we are, through trillions of very little but destructive and destabilising things." Yes. Well put. We must indeed choose differently, including individually.

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                #122

                @CiaraNi
                Thanks Ciara. Really appreciate this thread today 🙏

                @pietkuip @marjon

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                • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

                  @caffetino My experience in the past few days, when the heat has hit properly where I am (Denmark), is that people are noticing and talking about it, but what they're talking about is all the 'reasons' why none of us have to modify our individual behaviour and consumption because it's no use, 'what can one person do?' The possibility of change through collective action and mass boycotts is never mentioned.

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                  @CiaraNi I really hope that will change. It has to, otherwise we're all....

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                  • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

                    @richpuchalsky They are the same thing. A mass boycott is just a collection of individual actions.

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                    #124

                    @CiaraNi

                    No it is not! Organization matters

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                    • urlyman@mastodon.socialU urlyman@mastodon.social

                      @CiaraNi
                      Thanks Ciara. Really appreciate this thread today 🙏

                      @pietkuip @marjon

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                      @urlyman 💚

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                      • caffetino@social.pikaia.orgC caffetino@social.pikaia.org

                        @CiaraNi I really hope that will change. It has to, otherwise we're all....

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                        @caffetino Yes indeed

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                        • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

                          @malte Thank you for saying this - I've been demoralised by the general reaction I see around me, both in 'real life' and online. People are putting so much effort into explaining away any need to modify our behaviour in any way. So I am encouraged to hear that it's not just me!

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                          #127

                          @CiaraNi I am definitely in your subgroup. And I regularly feel very alone about this issue. The more serious climate change becomes, I am frustrated with how little personal responsibility we are willing to take and how an idealized thought about fairness (those who are richer / worse / etc than me should change, before I will change) gets in the way and unintentionally makes us fuel global warming even more.

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