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  3. Lucas Ruiz wrote a book in his native Spanish.

Lucas Ruiz wrote a book in his native Spanish.

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  • ciarani@mastodon.greenC This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    Lucas Ruiz wrote a book in his native Spanish. Professional translator Ditte Brand translated it into Danish. She interviewed him at LiteratureXchange Aarhus Literary Festival. They happen to be married. This made the conversation about writing & translation even more interesting & entertaining. They live in Denmark. He speaks Danish. They discussed translation & editorial issues along the way but he chose not to read the final translated work as a whole. That is hers.

    #Books #LitX #Translation

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    • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

      Lucas Ruiz wrote a book in his native Spanish. Professional translator Ditte Brand translated it into Danish. She interviewed him at LiteratureXchange Aarhus Literary Festival. They happen to be married. This made the conversation about writing & translation even more interesting & entertaining. They live in Denmark. He speaks Danish. They discussed translation & editorial issues along the way but he chose not to read the final translated work as a whole. That is hers.

      #Books #LitX #Translation

      ciarani@mastodon.greenC This user is from outside of this forum
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      #2

      After their informative, witty and insightful conversation on stage, audience questions were invited. A middle-aged man asked the author: ”In future, would you not use AI language machines to translate your books instead?"

      I take heart from the fact that a negative reaction instantly flew through the room. People gasped. One man literally booed. Many groaned and mumbled. One person may or may not have said OhForFucksSake aloud. That person may or may not have been me.

      #AI
      #Books
      #Translation

      pepijn@mastodon.onlineP ciarani@mastodon.greenC llanciawn@mastodon.socialL faithfulljohn@mastodon.scotF 4 Replies Last reply
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      • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

        After their informative, witty and insightful conversation on stage, audience questions were invited. A middle-aged man asked the author: ”In future, would you not use AI language machines to translate your books instead?"

        I take heart from the fact that a negative reaction instantly flew through the room. People gasped. One man literally booed. Many groaned and mumbled. One person may or may not have said OhForFucksSake aloud. That person may or may not have been me.

        #AI
        #Books
        #Translation

        pepijn@mastodon.onlineP This user is from outside of this forum
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        #3

        AMAMAB*

        *all middle aged men are..

        @CiaraNi

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        • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

          After their informative, witty and insightful conversation on stage, audience questions were invited. A middle-aged man asked the author: ”In future, would you not use AI language machines to translate your books instead?"

          I take heart from the fact that a negative reaction instantly flew through the room. People gasped. One man literally booed. Many groaned and mumbled. One person may or may not have said OhForFucksSake aloud. That person may or may not have been me.

          #AI
          #Books
          #Translation

          ciarani@mastodon.greenC This user is from outside of this forum
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          #4

          The man in the audience who attended a literary festival but doesn’t value human translation at least noticed the negative reaction when he advised an author to use AI instead of a professional human translator.

          He said testily, as if addressing dim-witted children: "I mean a Language Learning machine. I’m not talking about Google Translate."

          That struck me as a typical TechBro Reply Guy attitude. He assumes people object to generative AI because they don’t understand it, not because they do.

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          • pepijn@mastodon.onlineP pepijn@mastodon.online

            AMAMAB*

            *all middle aged men are..

            @CiaraNi

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            #5

            @Pepijn I did actually wonder if it was even necessary to specify 'middle-aged man' there.

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            • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

              The man in the audience who attended a literary festival but doesn’t value human translation at least noticed the negative reaction when he advised an author to use AI instead of a professional human translator.

              He said testily, as if addressing dim-witted children: "I mean a Language Learning machine. I’m not talking about Google Translate."

              That struck me as a typical TechBro Reply Guy attitude. He assumes people object to generative AI because they don’t understand it, not because they do.

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              #6

              @CiaraNi I have seen/witnessed this, too. Given my background in physics I usually approach these people from the mathematical side of LLMs to see if they have something useful to say. Sadly they have not. Saves me a lot of pointless discussions.

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              • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

                The man in the audience who attended a literary festival but doesn’t value human translation at least noticed the negative reaction when he advised an author to use AI instead of a professional human translator.

                He said testily, as if addressing dim-witted children: "I mean a Language Learning machine. I’m not talking about Google Translate."

                That struck me as a typical TechBro Reply Guy attitude. He assumes people object to generative AI because they don’t understand it, not because they do.

                hatetsu@mastodon.com.plH This user is from outside of this forum
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                #7

                @CiaraNi Besides, didn't it spread on the Fediverse that Google Translate is literally an LLM frontend now?

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                • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

                  After their informative, witty and insightful conversation on stage, audience questions were invited. A middle-aged man asked the author: ”In future, would you not use AI language machines to translate your books instead?"

                  I take heart from the fact that a negative reaction instantly flew through the room. People gasped. One man literally booed. Many groaned and mumbled. One person may or may not have said OhForFucksSake aloud. That person may or may not have been me.

                  #AI
                  #Books
                  #Translation

                  llanciawn@mastodon.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #8

                  @CiaraNi The answer is "Yes, I would not".

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                  • hatetsu@mastodon.com.plH hatetsu@mastodon.com.pl

                    @CiaraNi Besides, didn't it spread on the Fediverse that Google Translate is literally an LLM frontend now?

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                    #9

                    @HaTetsu @CiaraNi Not everyone got the memo.

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                    • llanciawn@mastodon.socialL llanciawn@mastodon.social

                      @CiaraNi The answer is "Yes, I would not".

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                      #10

                      @llanciawn That was indeed his answer, just packed in a little in diplomatic cotton wool. He handled it well, there on stage at an event. As did the translator - also his wife, also the interviewer - sitting there beside him. Fair play to her, she didn't even twitch.

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                      • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

                        After their informative, witty and insightful conversation on stage, audience questions were invited. A middle-aged man asked the author: ”In future, would you not use AI language machines to translate your books instead?"

                        I take heart from the fact that a negative reaction instantly flew through the room. People gasped. One man literally booed. Many groaned and mumbled. One person may or may not have said OhForFucksSake aloud. That person may or may not have been me.

                        #AI
                        #Books
                        #Translation

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                        #11

                        @CiaraNi it me too, if I'd been there. ✊😬

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                        • krazov@mstdn.socialK krazov@mstdn.social

                          @HaTetsu @CiaraNi Not everyone got the memo.

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                          #12

                          @Krazov @HaTetsu I think it's fine that there was just an instant, visceral Nope! response from a room of mixed people with mixed knowledge of AI, GAI, language-learning machines etc. In that context, I don't think the nuances help, people would just get bogged down in them and it would derail the collective emotional message of 'no AI, we value human translators'.

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