There's a poll going round the Fedi at the moment about whether you would be able to use an AED/defibrillator on a woman having a heart attack and a lot of people are commenting they'd let the trained person who brought it use it.
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@afewbugs the public style ones are designed for anyone to use them and have audio prompts. They won't shock if there is a detected heartbeat and broken ribs from bad CPR can heal, a dead person not so much.
@robinthewitch @afewbugs Same here in Germany. Defibrillators are available in many publicly accessible places, and they have audio prompts, along with clear printed instructions.
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I was instructed in this and our instructor told us: that person is already dead so do everything you must. -
There's a poll going round the Fedi at the moment about whether you would be able to use an AED/defibrillator on a woman having a heart attack and a lot of people are commenting they'd let the trained person who brought it use it. In the UK at least you don't need to wait for ambulance staff to bring it, they're in lots of public locations like stations, shopping centres and churches. In an emergency if you're on the phone to the ambulance service they will tell you where the nearest one is, but if you want to familiarise yourself with the locations of nearby ones just to be prepared you can see them here: https://www.defibfinder.uk/
@afewbugs That poll is quite separated between the US and Europe. In France, these defibrillators are also placed everywhere. And every building with public is obliged to have a security plan in the entry and on each level that shows all important things.
*Everybody* can use a defibrillator, the machine tells you (yes, it talks) what to do. Every second counts for life saving.
But a training in first aid can help you against panic. -
There's a poll going round the Fedi at the moment about whether you would be able to use an AED/defibrillator on a woman having a heart attack and a lot of people are commenting they'd let the trained person who brought it use it. In the UK at least you don't need to wait for ambulance staff to bring it, they're in lots of public locations like stations, shopping centres and churches. In an emergency if you're on the phone to the ambulance service they will tell you where the nearest one is, but if you want to familiarise yourself with the locations of nearby ones just to be prepared you can see them here: https://www.defibfinder.uk/
@afewbugs That's a rather sobering toot. If you wait for a trained person to bring a defibrillator it'll be too late. And you don't need any training to use one at all. Anyone can use it. The defibrillator talks you through all the steps including compressions and rescue breaths. The pads have diagrams...
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There's a poll going round the Fedi at the moment about whether you would be able to use an AED/defibrillator on a woman having a heart attack and a lot of people are commenting they'd let the trained person who brought it use it. In the UK at least you don't need to wait for ambulance staff to bring it, they're in lots of public locations like stations, shopping centres and churches. In an emergency if you're on the phone to the ambulance service they will tell you where the nearest one is, but if you want to familiarise yourself with the locations of nearby ones just to be prepared you can see them here: https://www.defibfinder.uk/
@afewbugs Boosting for maximum visibility!
Absolutely, never ‘wait for a trained professional’, get in there with the helpful defibrillator.
I suspect this indicates that first aid training in schools and the workplace is a lot poorer than it should be.
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@afewbugs That poll is quite separated between the US and Europe. In France, these defibrillators are also placed everywhere. And every building with public is obliged to have a security plan in the entry and on each level that shows all important things.
*Everybody* can use a defibrillator, the machine tells you (yes, it talks) what to do. Every second counts for life saving.
But a training in first aid can help you against panic. -
@afewbugs Boosting for maximum visibility!
Absolutely, never ‘wait for a trained professional’, get in there with the helpful defibrillator.
I suspect this indicates that first aid training in schools and the workplace is a lot poorer than it should be.
@BashStKid I really think it should be taught in schools and workplaces rather than something most people have to pay privately to get
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There's a poll going round the Fedi at the moment about whether you would be able to use an AED/defibrillator on a woman having a heart attack and a lot of people are commenting they'd let the trained person who brought it use it. In the UK at least you don't need to wait for ambulance staff to bring it, they're in lots of public locations like stations, shopping centres and churches. In an emergency if you're on the phone to the ambulance service they will tell you where the nearest one is, but if you want to familiarise yourself with the locations of nearby ones just to be prepared you can see them here: https://www.defibfinder.uk/
@afewbugs by coincidence my husband and I have been discussing purchasing one. While healthy we are moving from old to elderly and the emergency response time where we are is a minimum of 20 minutes. We have been trying to decide whether it’s crazy to get one or not.
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@BashStKid I really think it should be taught in schools and workplaces rather than something most people have to pay privately to get
@afewbugs @BashStKid I think some of the reluctance to acting is fear of liability (either for inappropriate touching, or injuring someone through misuse). In the US, at least, while laws differ between states, Good Samaritan laws protect people who take good faith action to help. Though, on the flip side, people are also legally protected when they DON’T act to help. There is no legal duty to help save a life (though there may be a moral one.)
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@afewbugs @BashStKid I think some of the reluctance to acting is fear of liability (either for inappropriate touching, or injuring someone through misuse). In the US, at least, while laws differ between states, Good Samaritan laws protect people who take good faith action to help. Though, on the flip side, people are also legally protected when they DON’T act to help. There is no legal duty to help save a life (though there may be a moral one.)
AED’s are pretty simple to use. I agree that providing training to more people is the best way to get over the hesitation of using one. It’s really amazing how the bigger the group, the less likely people are to act in an emergency. Everyone assumes someone else will, meanwhile a persons life is at stake every second of delay.
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@quixoticgeek @NatureMC @afewbugs Sure. But every AED I’ve seen (have trained with them for decades) has easy to understand numbered pictures and if it’s set up incorrectly, it won’t function. The biggest delay is usually a group of people standing around waiting for someone else to act. If you start acting, even with a language barrier, that will break that and if another person is there and understands the language, they would then step in to help.
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@quixoticgeek @NatureMC @afewbugs Sure. But every AED I’ve seen (have trained with them for decades) has easy to understand numbered pictures and if it’s set up incorrectly, it won’t function. The biggest delay is usually a group of people standing around waiting for someone else to act. If you start acting, even with a language barrier, that will break that and if another person is there and understands the language, they would then step in to help.
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@afewbugs @BashStKid I think some of the reluctance to acting is fear of liability (either for inappropriate touching, or injuring someone through misuse). In the US, at least, while laws differ between states, Good Samaritan laws protect people who take good faith action to help. Though, on the flip side, people are also legally protected when they DON’T act to help. There is no legal duty to help save a life (though there may be a moral one.)
@IcooIey @afewbugs @BashStKid yes , I’ve seen something similar before and it suggest men were or would be hesitant.
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@BashStKid I really think it should be taught in schools and workplaces rather than something most people have to pay privately to get
@afewbugs I may be showing my age, then, as I did learn first aid in school, in Scouts, and at work.
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@quixoticgeek @NatureMC @afewbugs Sure. But every AED I’ve seen (have trained with them for decades) has easy to understand numbered pictures and if it’s set up incorrectly, it won’t function. The biggest delay is usually a group of people standing around waiting for someone else to act. If you start acting, even with a language barrier, that will break that and if another person is there and understands the language, they would then step in to help.
@IcooIey I see it like you. Working in a French museum, I once looked at ours because my medicine French is not the best. But that machine comes also with simple international icons you can understand without language knowledge.
And like you say: the worst that could happen is that it doesn't work if you use it wrong.
Mostly you have other people around you. Shout how they could help you. That someone phones the urgency number etc.
Looking at a machine before, helps -
@IcooIey I see it like you. Working in a French museum, I once looked at ours because my medicine French is not the best. But that machine comes also with simple international icons you can understand without language knowledge.
And like you say: the worst that could happen is that it doesn't work if you use it wrong.
Mostly you have other people around you. Shout how they could help you. That someone phones the urgency number etc.
Looking at a machine before, helps@IcooIey a lot to get rid of fear. You can even find infos in internet how it looks and works like.
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@afewbugs the public style ones are designed for anyone to use them and have audio prompts. They won't shock if there is a detected heartbeat and broken ribs from bad CPR can heal, a dead person not so much.
@robinthewitch @afewbugs I expect they even have an automated recorded voice to guide you through applying it.
edit: Rachel confirms it here https://norfolk.social/@rachel/117450055785834127 in a different thread of answers! -
There's a poll going round the Fedi at the moment about whether you would be able to use an AED/defibrillator on a woman having a heart attack and a lot of people are commenting they'd let the trained person who brought it use it. In the UK at least you don't need to wait for ambulance staff to bring it, they're in lots of public locations like stations, shopping centres and churches. In an emergency if you're on the phone to the ambulance service they will tell you where the nearest one is, but if you want to familiarise yourself with the locations of nearby ones just to be prepared you can see them here: https://www.defibfinder.uk/
RE: https://social.coop/@afewbugs/117450026165565972
Anyone can and should use an Automated external defibrillator (AED)!
Anyone can use it, they are designed for untrained people to use them.
Also, if you can, help keep #OpenStreetMap up to date when it comes to AED locations: if the map says one is there, please check it really is, now, when there is no emergency and you've got a couple minutes to spare. It could make all the difference to someone down the line.
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There's a poll going round the Fedi at the moment about whether you would be able to use an AED/defibrillator on a woman having a heart attack and a lot of people are commenting they'd let the trained person who brought it use it. In the UK at least you don't need to wait for ambulance staff to bring it, they're in lots of public locations like stations, shopping centres and churches. In an emergency if you're on the phone to the ambulance service they will tell you where the nearest one is, but if you want to familiarise yourself with the locations of nearby ones just to be prepared you can see them here: https://www.defibfinder.uk/
@afewbugs I've been trained through work.
The dirty secret is that CPR doesn't work like it does in movies. It may help a drowning victim regain consciousness but only a shock will restart the heart for heart attacks.
CPR helps prevent brain damage until the heart can be restarted.
And you will have to cut a woman's bra off. It will interfere with the shock.
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RE: https://social.coop/@afewbugs/117450026165565972
Anyone can and should use an Automated external defibrillator (AED)!
Anyone can use it, they are designed for untrained people to use them.
Also, if you can, help keep #OpenStreetMap up to date when it comes to AED locations: if the map says one is there, please check it really is, now, when there is no emergency and you've got a couple minutes to spare. It could make all the difference to someone down the line.
@axx anyone who has worked for a restaurant for more than ten years will know...
