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  3. The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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  • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

    The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

    hedders@mas.toH This user is from outside of this forum
    hedders@mas.toH This user is from outside of this forum
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    #2

    @neil I do worry that we're seeing the beginning of the end of personal computing, in the sense of being able to own a machine that you control and that does your bidding.

    neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN dan@mastodon.durrans.comD lordsplodge@brettspiel.spaceL wingedsnake@mastodon.berlinW raphv@social.edu.nlR 5 Replies Last reply
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    • hedders@mas.toH hedders@mas.to

      @neil I do worry that we're seeing the beginning of the end of personal computing, in the sense of being able to own a machine that you control and that does your bidding.

      neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN This user is from outside of this forum
      neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN This user is from outside of this forum
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      #3

      @hedders Exactly this.

      Admittedly, Apple was perhaps already further down the "appliance, not computer" path with iOS than some others, but still...

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      • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

        The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

        neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN This user is from outside of this forum
        neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN This user is from outside of this forum
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        #4

        Perhaps I am some kind of dangerous computer radical these days, thinking that one should be able to buy or make a computer, install one's choice of OSs and software, create a local user account, and get on with one's affairs, privately and without interference.

        Quiet enjoyment of one's computer.

        * No age or ID verification

        * No jumping through hoops to install software, or third parties restricting the software that one can run

        * No third party accounts

        slothrop@chaos.socialS emily_s@mastodon.me.ukE simonzerafa@infosec.exchangeS tak@gush.taks.gardenT B 17 Replies Last reply
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        • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

          Perhaps I am some kind of dangerous computer radical these days, thinking that one should be able to buy or make a computer, install one's choice of OSs and software, create a local user account, and get on with one's affairs, privately and without interference.

          Quiet enjoyment of one's computer.

          * No age or ID verification

          * No jumping through hoops to install software, or third parties restricting the software that one can run

          * No third party accounts

          slothrop@chaos.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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          #5

          Y’know @neil one of these days you’re going to wake up and find you’ve become a revolutionary anarchist, relatively speaking.

          Same here. My opinions remain fairly constant, but the Overton Window almost keeps rushing past.

          neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN jannem@fosstodon.orgJ ginevracat@toot.communityG 3 Replies Last reply
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          • slothrop@chaos.socialS slothrop@chaos.social

            Y’know @neil one of these days you’re going to wake up and find you’ve become a revolutionary anarchist, relatively speaking.

            Same here. My opinions remain fairly constant, but the Overton Window almost keeps rushing past.

            neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN This user is from outside of this forum
            neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN This user is from outside of this forum
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            #6

            @slothrop

            > you're going to wake up and find you’ve become a revolutionary anarchist

            Wow. I sound *sexy*.

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            • hedders@mas.toH hedders@mas.to

              @neil I do worry that we're seeing the beginning of the end of personal computing, in the sense of being able to own a machine that you control and that does your bidding.

              dan@mastodon.durrans.comD This user is from outside of this forum
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              #7

              @hedders @neil I have always considered my computers to be more like cats. They never do my bidding and will often do the exact opposite of what I want before vomiting everywhere. But at least they are independent.

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              • dan@mastodon.durrans.comD dan@mastodon.durrans.com

                @hedders @neil I have always considered my computers to be more like cats. They never do my bidding and will often do the exact opposite of what I want before vomiting everywhere. But at least they are independent.

                hedders@mas.toH This user is from outside of this forum
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                #8

                @dan Hah! That made me laugh.

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                • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                  Perhaps I am some kind of dangerous computer radical these days, thinking that one should be able to buy or make a computer, install one's choice of OSs and software, create a local user account, and get on with one's affairs, privately and without interference.

                  Quiet enjoyment of one's computer.

                  * No age or ID verification

                  * No jumping through hoops to install software, or third parties restricting the software that one can run

                  * No third party accounts

                  emily_s@mastodon.me.ukE This user is from outside of this forum
                  emily_s@mastodon.me.ukE This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #9

                  @neil There is exactly one person who gets to decide what happens in my computer. Me.

                  If you want to run things in my world, you play by my rules and only my rules.

                  Wait Shit. Am I'm turning in to a conservative, I want things to remain how they were twenty years ago... Is this is what they meant about getting more conservative when you get older?

                  aadeacon@mastodon.socialA burnitdown@beige.partyB tom@subdued.socialT 3 Replies Last reply
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                  • slothrop@chaos.socialS slothrop@chaos.social

                    Y’know @neil one of these days you’re going to wake up and find you’ve become a revolutionary anarchist, relatively speaking.

                    Same here. My opinions remain fairly constant, but the Overton Window almost keeps rushing past.

                    jannem@fosstodon.orgJ This user is from outside of this forum
                    jannem@fosstodon.orgJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #10

                    @slothrop @neil
                    You know, I'm in my fifties. And over the past 40 years I've gone from a liberal centrist to a socialist radical, without changing my opinions.

                    dsc@mastodon.scotD bishopjoey@writing.exchangeB steltenpower@social.edu.nlS resl@mas.toR angelascholder@mastodon.energyA 6 Replies Last reply
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                    • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                      The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

                      mikecox@mastodon.iow.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #11

                      @neil I think we've already gone that way with cars. It's difficult (impossible?) to buy one now that just belongs to you with mno ties to the manufacturer or seller.
                      Yet we all accept it.

                      neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN allpoints@mstdn.socialA missconstrue@mefi.socialM 3 Replies Last reply
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                      • mikecox@mastodon.iow.socialM mikecox@mastodon.iow.social

                        @neil I think we've already gone that way with cars. It's difficult (impossible?) to buy one now that just belongs to you with mno ties to the manufacturer or seller.
                        Yet we all accept it.

                        neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #12

                        @mikecox This is indeed one of the reasons why I am struggling to replace my car at the moment, because I don't want to accept that.

                        I might not get what I want.

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                        • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                          The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

                          thinkb4u@ieji.deT This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #13

                          @neil @Em0nM4stodon There is nothing to be baffled about. This is 1984. It is happening, stop being in denial. Take a look at the laws being pushed forward all over the West, it is not rocket science.

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                          • thinkb4u@ieji.deT thinkb4u@ieji.de

                            @neil @Em0nM4stodon There is nothing to be baffled about. This is 1984. It is happening, stop being in denial. Take a look at the laws being pushed forward all over the West, it is not rocket science.

                            neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #14

                            @thinkb4u @Em0nM4stodon

                            The fact that it is happening is what is baffling me.

                            simon@gotosocial.grnwds.ukS thinkb4u@ieji.deT 2 Replies Last reply
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                            • emily_s@mastodon.me.ukE emily_s@mastodon.me.uk

                              @neil There is exactly one person who gets to decide what happens in my computer. Me.

                              If you want to run things in my world, you play by my rules and only my rules.

                              Wait Shit. Am I'm turning in to a conservative, I want things to remain how they were twenty years ago... Is this is what they meant about getting more conservative when you get older?

                              aadeacon@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #15

                              @emily_s No, Conservatives want things to remain the same because they control them, change threatens that control. You want to control any changes you make, that is different.

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                              • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                @mikecox This is indeed one of the reasons why I am struggling to replace my car at the moment, because I don't want to accept that.

                                I might not get what I want.

                                milgrim@mas.toM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #16

                                @neil @mikecox I suspect it's going to be hard to disable too as the connection is, I assume, shared with the SOS systems.

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                                • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                  @thinkb4u @Em0nM4stodon

                                  The fact that it is happening is what is baffling me.

                                  simon@gotosocial.grnwds.ukS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #17

                                  @neil
                                  Increased Shareholder Value as always.
                                  @thinkb4u @Em0nM4stodon

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                                  • aadeacon@mastodon.socialA aadeacon@mastodon.social

                                    @emily_s No, Conservatives want things to remain the same because they control them, change threatens that control. You want to control any changes you make, that is different.

                                    emily_s@mastodon.me.ukE This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #18

                                    @aadeacon But I do currently control my computer, and I want to retain that control... I do not want someone else to take away the control I already have over my things

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                                    • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                      The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

                                      kantikainen@mementomori.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #19

                                      @neil I am very concearned about age verification on OS level thing thats on the talks lately. So i am NOT trying to under estimate this threath, ok. Still i have a total noob question here: how could that ever be enforcable?

                                      Somodoby just goes "fuck that!" Makes a linux distro that does not ask any of that shit and puts it out for free.

                                      How can this effect those users?

                                      contrasocial@mastodon.socialC supermoosie@mastodon.auS graydon@canada.masto.hostG wingedsnake@mastodon.berlinW 4 Replies Last reply
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                                      • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                        The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

                                        janeishly@beige.partyJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #20

                                        @neil Every time I login to Windows using a stupid pin code it makes me fume. It's my fucking computer! I just want to switch it on and start work

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                                        • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                          The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

                                          mook@possum.cityM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #21

                                          @neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk how else will they monitor everything that you do?

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