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  3. I have been warning about the term "digital sovereignty" and how it is right-wing coded and probably can't be salvaged for non-right-wing politics.

I have been warning about the term "digital sovereignty" and how it is right-wing coded and probably can't be salvaged for non-right-wing politics.

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  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

    I have been warning about the term "digital sovereignty" and how it is right-wing coded and probably can't be salvaged for non-right-wing politics.

    The German fascist party AfD now created a European foundation to push their fascist politics further. The name: "Sovereignty Foundation".

    Even though tactically it might feel like it makes sense to use the term to get funding, you are integrating right wing politics into your thinking and speaking.

    anders_s@mastodon.nuA This user is from outside of this forum
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    #3

    @tante The german state use the same word. https://www.sovereign.tech/about It seems to me like the AfD is trying to profit from that and confuse the Sovereign Tech Fund with their own Sovereignty Foundation.

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    • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

      @tante I am slowly moving towards saying digital autonomy instead. Which is more applicable than sovereignty, as that term is more geared towards states/governments, whereas autonomy applies to people, groups, companies and authorities.

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      #4

      @jwildeboer that one is better, yes. I also like "digital capacity to act" or "digital agency"

      jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ lcwander@toot.communityL abram@xoxo.zoneA 3 Replies Last reply
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      • anders_s@mastodon.nuA anders_s@mastodon.nu

        @tante The german state use the same word. https://www.sovereign.tech/about It seems to me like the AfD is trying to profit from that and confuse the Sovereign Tech Fund with their own Sovereignty Foundation.

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        #5

        @Anders_S when it was funded I was arguing that adopting that term was a long-term mistake - regardless of all the good that the STA does.

        (The STA is not "the state" even though the state provides its funding)

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        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

          I have been warning about the term "digital sovereignty" and how it is right-wing coded and probably can't be salvaged for non-right-wing politics.

          The German fascist party AfD now created a European foundation to push their fascist politics further. The name: "Sovereignty Foundation".

          Even though tactically it might feel like it makes sense to use the term to get funding, you are integrating right wing politics into your thinking and speaking.

          kami_kadse@don.linxx.netK This user is from outside of this forum
          kami_kadse@don.linxx.netK This user is from outside of this forum
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          #6

          @tante

          https://don.linxx.net/@kami_kadse/116012219898580324

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          • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

            @jwildeboer that one is better, yes. I also like "digital capacity to act" or "digital agency"

            jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ This user is from outside of this forum
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            #7

            @tante I also played with "digital sustainability" but ultimately autonomy feels better. It is a bit more aggressive, especially in Germany with their history of Autonome, which I find a good thing, actually. And in German Digitale Souveränität always sounded "gestelzt" to me. 🙂

            tante@tldr.nettime.orgT ahltorp@mastodon.nuA 2 Replies Last reply
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            • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

              @tante I also played with "digital sustainability" but ultimately autonomy feels better. It is a bit more aggressive, especially in Germany with their history of Autonome, which I find a good thing, actually. And in German Digitale Souveränität always sounded "gestelzt" to me. 🙂

              tante@tldr.nettime.orgT This user is from outside of this forum
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              #8

              @jwildeboer There is not one concept that the German language can not make sound very "gestelzt" 😉
              And I agree: Using more terms that conservative Germany feels icky with is probably a good thing.

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              • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                I have been warning about the term "digital sovereignty" and how it is right-wing coded and probably can't be salvaged for non-right-wing politics.

                The German fascist party AfD now created a European foundation to push their fascist politics further. The name: "Sovereignty Foundation".

                Even though tactically it might feel like it makes sense to use the term to get funding, you are integrating right wing politics into your thinking and speaking.

                nik@toot.teckids.orgN This user is from outside of this forum
                nik@toot.teckids.orgN This user is from outside of this forum
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                #9

                @tante

                Weitere rechtspopulistische Begriffe sind demnach: Freiheit, Wettbewerb, Eigenverantwortung, Versorgung, Open Source, Datenschutz, (informationelle) Selbstbestimmung.

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                • nik@toot.teckids.orgN nik@toot.teckids.org

                  @tante

                  Weitere rechtspopulistische Begriffe sind demnach: Freiheit, Wettbewerb, Eigenverantwortung, Versorgung, Open Source, Datenschutz, (informationelle) Selbstbestimmung.

                  tante@tldr.nettime.orgT This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #10

                  @nik [CITATION NEEDED]

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                  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                    @nik [CITATION NEEDED]

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                    #11

                    @tante

                    https://www.afd.de/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/AfD_Bundestagswahlprogramm2025_web.pdf

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                    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                      @Anders_S when it was funded I was arguing that adopting that term was a long-term mistake - regardless of all the good that the STA does.

                      (The STA is not "the state" even though the state provides its funding)

                      anders_s@mastodon.nuA This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #12

                      @tante I get that STA is not the state per se but the ones that provides the money has the power. And I agree with you about the word. It's not as problematic in swedish though.

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                      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                        I have been warning about the term "digital sovereignty" and how it is right-wing coded and probably can't be salvaged for non-right-wing politics.

                        The German fascist party AfD now created a European foundation to push their fascist politics further. The name: "Sovereignty Foundation".

                        Even though tactically it might feel like it makes sense to use the term to get funding, you are integrating right wing politics into your thinking and speaking.

                        heliograph@mastodon.auH This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #13

                        @tante I for one am very sad to see this beautiful word die such a horrific death but am also accepting the reality of propaganda ☹️ a hundred years ago they vandalised an innocent sun symbol, so this is just a continuation of the same tragedy

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                        • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

                          @tante I am slowly moving towards saying digital autonomy instead. Which is more applicable than sovereignty, as that term is more geared towards states/governments, whereas autonomy applies to people, groups, companies and authorities.

                          kejster@mastodon.worldK This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #14

                          @jwildeboer @tante Same here. Autonomy is a much better term.

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                          • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                            I have been warning about the term "digital sovereignty" and how it is right-wing coded and probably can't be salvaged for non-right-wing politics.

                            The German fascist party AfD now created a European foundation to push their fascist politics further. The name: "Sovereignty Foundation".

                            Even though tactically it might feel like it makes sense to use the term to get funding, you are integrating right wing politics into your thinking and speaking.

                            mediocreman@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #15

                            @tante

                            Tante, thanks for that interesting, and worrying, perspective. A good idea high-jacked by the undesirables.

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                            • kejster@mastodon.worldK kejster@mastodon.world

                              @jwildeboer @tante Same here. Autonomy is a much better term.

                              datenwolf@chaos.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #16

                              @kejster @jwildeboer @tante

                              It's also a lot more accurate (IMHO) with respect to what the actual goals are/should be.

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                              • heliograph@mastodon.auH heliograph@mastodon.au

                                @tante I for one am very sad to see this beautiful word die such a horrific death but am also accepting the reality of propaganda ☹️ a hundred years ago they vandalised an innocent sun symbol, so this is just a continuation of the same tragedy

                                heliograph@mastodon.auH This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #17

                                @tante it had real meaning to it you know, nothing imperialistic but a distinct position already described 😢

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                                • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

                                  @tante I am slowly moving towards saying digital autonomy instead. Which is more applicable than sovereignty, as that term is more geared towards states/governments, whereas autonomy applies to people, groups, companies and authorities.

                                  skyglobe@hostux.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #18

                                  @jwildeboer @tante I was thinking about "digital indipendence" but then I thought about the right wing militias and the whole prepper movement.

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                                  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                    @jwildeboer There is not one concept that the German language can not make sound very "gestelzt" 😉
                                    And I agree: Using more terms that conservative Germany feels icky with is probably a good thing.

                                    nilz@norden.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #19

                                    @tante @jwildeboer

                                    Fascists will adopt whatever terms we use.

                                    So, maybe we should always add, to every term, the word: "antifascist"

                                    We want antifascist digital souvereignity.

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                                    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                      I have been warning about the term "digital sovereignty" and how it is right-wing coded and probably can't be salvaged for non-right-wing politics.

                                      The German fascist party AfD now created a European foundation to push their fascist politics further. The name: "Sovereignty Foundation".

                                      Even though tactically it might feel like it makes sense to use the term to get funding, you are integrating right wing politics into your thinking and speaking.

                                      danielscardoso@scholar.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #20

                                      I usually see it used as "data sovereignty", in the sense of material control over data. Thanks for the new insight!

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                                      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                        I have been warning about the term "digital sovereignty" and how it is right-wing coded and probably can't be salvaged for non-right-wing politics.

                                        The German fascist party AfD now created a European foundation to push their fascist politics further. The name: "Sovereignty Foundation".

                                        Even though tactically it might feel like it makes sense to use the term to get funding, you are integrating right wing politics into your thinking and speaking.

                                        hamishcampbell@mastodon.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #21

                                        @tante its mess we do need to practically compost https://hamishcampbell.com/digital-sovereignty-is-more-mess-we-need-to-compost/

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                                        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                          I have been warning about the term "digital sovereignty" and how it is right-wing coded and probably can't be salvaged for non-right-wing politics.

                                          The German fascist party AfD now created a European foundation to push their fascist politics further. The name: "Sovereignty Foundation".

                                          Even though tactically it might feel like it makes sense to use the term to get funding, you are integrating right wing politics into your thinking and speaking.

                                          davidgerard@circumstances.runD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #22

                                          @tante yeah, I can't see it without thinking of the crypto guy usage of the term

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