Only the best and brightest are working for Anthropic.
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@Mabande OMG, thank you! I thought I'd never find this tweet again!
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@Mabande It’s a logical reasoning model with polite UI. That’s neither a human or a machine. It’s a software solution
@rollspelosofen @Mabande I'm sorry I have to differ.
LLMs don't reason.
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@Mabande Whenever I read this, I have to seriously reconsider if Mao's idea of sending the youth to the country to learn the life of the peasants was so wrong…
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@Mabande Avery def should one of them
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@petealexharris @adardis @Mabande
People with philosophy undergraduate degrees have very high mid career income, but the more advanced the degree, the lower the income gets (this is also true for music). The reason is that most don't work as philophers.
If somebody is offering super high wages to somebody not already famous, that should be a clue that something is amiss. But, I mean, who *wants* to see the problem.
(Nobody ever uses composers for evil, so its very easy for me to say all of this, with my music PhD.)
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@petealexharris @adardis @Mabande
People with philosophy undergraduate degrees have very high mid career income, but the more advanced the degree, the lower the income gets (this is also true for music). The reason is that most don't work as philophers.
If somebody is offering super high wages to somebody not already famous, that should be a clue that something is amiss. But, I mean, who *wants* to see the problem.
(Nobody ever uses composers for evil, so its very easy for me to say all of this, with my music PhD.)
If it looked like there was more money in using composers for evil, you can be sure they would Find A Way.
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@Mabande
You don't get a PhD without rigor.We don't need to attack a philosopher's credentials or skill here. The problem isn't the philosophy, it's the engineers who are providing inaccurate technical explanations to the philosopher. This is why we need to infuse the humanities into our engineering programs - we need technical philosophers to call this bullshit out.
(And we have them - see the DAIR group, for example.)
@adardis@Mabande
since this thread is making the rounds again, y'all who read this far get a link to my own amateur-but-carefully-thought-through math and philosophy on why Anthropic and others are provably full of shit: https://thoughtlost.org/nosingularity/ -
@rollspelosofen @Mabande I'm sorry I have to differ.
LLMs don't reason.
And there a difference between obsequiousness and being polite.@marjolica @Mabande By ”logical reasoning” I was referring to the common ”if… else…” reasoning statements that all modern software use. And I was using polite very broadly here.
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@petealexharris @celesteh @adardis The IRL Darth Vader wannabe got to have his cool soundtrack...
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@marjolica @Mabande By ”logical reasoning” I was referring to the common ”if… else…” reasoning statements that all modern software use. And I was using polite very broadly here.
@rollspelosofen @Mabande I don't think LLMs use if .. else logic, though decision trees are a different form of AI and largely work that way (I've written them myself in the past).
LLMs just include a whole set of statements in parallel, including your prompt, their billions of weights based on data they were trained on and imperative guard rails and meta instructions set by their trainers. Of course as a stochastic parrot they don't always even prioritise their guard rails and often let information in their training data override what you tell them to do in the prompt. -
@petealexharris @adardis @Mabande
People with philosophy undergraduate degrees have very high mid career income, but the more advanced the degree, the lower the income gets (this is also true for music). The reason is that most don't work as philophers.
If somebody is offering super high wages to somebody not already famous, that should be a clue that something is amiss. But, I mean, who *wants* to see the problem.
(Nobody ever uses composers for evil, so its very easy for me to say all of this, with my music PhD.)
@celesteh @petealexharris @adardis @Mabande smash cut to the composer who was horrified to find out that his cheerful tunes were being used for torture …
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@rollspelosofen @Mabande I don't think LLMs use if .. else logic, though decision trees are a different form of AI and largely work that way (I've written them myself in the past).
LLMs just include a whole set of statements in parallel, including your prompt, their billions of weights based on data they were trained on and imperative guard rails and meta instructions set by their trainers. Of course as a stochastic parrot they don't always even prioritise their guard rails and often let information in their training data override what you tell them to do in the prompt.@marjolica @Mabande Okay.
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@Mabande Have a look at her Wikipedia page. If it's accurate, she's a very rigorous philosopher.
I'm tempted to say "no bullshit there" but it's possible to be rigorous and to spout bullshit.
My instinct says she has/they have other reasons for saying the things they do.
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@petealexharris @celesteh @adardis The IRL Darth Vader wannabe got to have his cool soundtrack...
@Mabande @petealexharris @adardis sadly no
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@Mabande Whenever I read this, I have to seriously reconsider if Mao's idea of sending the youth to the country to learn the life of the peasants was so wrong…
@Illuminatus The idea? Kinda good; The implementation? Not that good
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@fgbjr @joshg @Mabande @adardis
I got my Ph. D. in chemistry after graduating near the top of my undergraduate class at a tough school.
Linus Pauling knew more about chemistry on a bad day than I ever learned.
He knew more about chemistry than many if not most of the professors I knew.
He was still very much wrong about vitamin C and its role in human health.
There are lots and lots of very smart people out there who get specific things demonstrably wrong despite their very apparent talents.
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@Mabande I'm struck by the extent to which the responses focus on the person, rather than her arguments/ideas.
1. I see intelligence & consciousness (appropriately defined...) as something that humans have.
2. I see us as large, complex machines, subject to the laws of physics.
3. thus, I see intelligence & consciousness as emergent properties of ion channel mechanics, voltage differences...
4. I have not heard a strong argument as to why these properties can only emerge from C-based, not Si- -
@Mabande I'm struck by the extent to which the responses focus on the person, rather than her arguments/ideas.
1. I see intelligence & consciousness (appropriately defined...) as something that humans have.
2. I see us as large, complex machines, subject to the laws of physics.
3. thus, I see intelligence & consciousness as emergent properties of ion channel mechanics, voltage differences...
4. I have not heard a strong argument as to why these properties can only emerge from C-based, not Si-5. We've not seen Si-based entities perform like this before: passing Turing tests... That qualifies them, for me, as a new kind of entity.
They're different. The frontier is jagged/spiky/whatever.
For me, that's an invitation to explore, not attack.
