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  3. If you live outside of the United States,do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

If you live outside of the United States,do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

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  • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

    If you live outside of the United States,
    do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

    What would happen to your work?

    What would happen to your hospitals?

    What would happen to your emergency services?

    What would happen to your banks?

    Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

    What would happen?
    Is your country prepared?

    #DataSovereignty

    cyberquixote@infosec.exchangeC This user is from outside of this forum
    cyberquixote@infosec.exchangeC This user is from outside of this forum
    cyberquixote@infosec.exchange
    wrote sidst redigeret af
    #78

    @Em0nM4stodon I genuinely believe people don’t care anymore, my entire life in tech has been a farce and a sham.

    good luck to everyone who even gives a fuck

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    • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

      If you live outside of the United States,
      do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

      What would happen to your work?

      What would happen to your hospitals?

      What would happen to your emergency services?

      What would happen to your banks?

      Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

      What would happen?
      Is your country prepared?

      #DataSovereignty

      A This user is from outside of this forum
      A This user is from outside of this forum
      ati1@mastodon.social
      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #79

      @Em0nM4stodon I live outside USA and I want my govt, not US, to cut usage of those services.

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      • cmsdengl@mas.toC cmsdengl@mas.to

        @Em0nM4stodon

        I wrote to my MP (UK) about this. I didn't get a sensible reply

        - My former employer ran MS servers. They would grind to a halt
        - Some UK hospitals were still using Windows XP - dead in the water
        - Emergency services and banks - don't know

        The whole country would be screwed

        You can also add the threat to close payment services like Visa, Mastercard and Paypal.

        freci@piaille.frF This user is from outside of this forum
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        freci@piaille.fr
        wrote sidst redigeret af
        #80

        @cmsdengl @Em0nM4stodon re: payment services you could use Wero, except they chose to require either Google or Apple 🤡

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        • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

          If you live outside of the United States,
          do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

          What would happen to your work?

          What would happen to your hospitals?

          What would happen to your emergency services?

          What would happen to your banks?

          Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

          What would happen?
          Is your country prepared?

          #DataSovereignty

          chrisuplus@chaos.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
          chrisuplus@chaos.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
          chrisuplus@chaos.social
          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #81

          @Em0nM4stodon lol finito, not even remotely prepared

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          • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

            If you live outside of the United States,
            do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

            What would happen to your work?

            What would happen to your hospitals?

            What would happen to your emergency services?

            What would happen to your banks?

            Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

            What would happen?
            Is your country prepared?

            #DataSovereignty

            screwturn@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
            screwturn@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
            screwturn@mastodon.social
            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #82

            @Em0nM4stodon
            Goes beyond the national plan.

            Each organization needs to have a business continuity plan that includes all significant US- based services, devices, and platforms becoming suddenly unavailable or unreliable.

            Every bank, hospital, and utility, for example needs to have a documented, tested, and practiced plan

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            • mwt@mastodon.nzM mwt@mastodon.nz

              @blotosmetek @barbra @Em0nM4stodon I have a mini-computer that was Windows 2000 when I got it. It has never seen the internet and (as long as I'm in charge of it) never will. My spouse updated it to XP a few years ago, I don't think it improved anything. I use it to play one very old Windows only computer game.

              passenger@kolektiva.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
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              passenger@kolektiva.social
              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #83

              @mwt @blotosmetek @barbra @Em0nM4stodon

              A minicomputer as in a small computer or a minicomputer as in, like, a PDP-11? If you got Windows 2000 to run on a mini then that's extremely cool.

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              • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                If you live outside of the United States,
                do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                What would happen to your work?

                What would happen to your hospitals?

                What would happen to your emergency services?

                What would happen to your banks?

                Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                What would happen?
                Is your country prepared?

                #DataSovereignty

                xanathon@social.phantanews.deX This user is from outside of this forum
                xanathon@social.phantanews.deX This user is from outside of this forum
                xanathon@social.phantanews.de
                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #84

                @Em0nM4stodon Basically we're screwed (at the moment). There are European initiatives to switch to open source Software and a lot of high level politicians are babbling about "digital independence" and at the same time renew Microsoft contracts. There's a lot in motion in that regard over here and some projects are very promising and did a lot in a very short timeframe (there were even the first "does this work in a crisis"-tests and they were successful), but it's quite difficult to unattach yourself from decades-long dependency. Personally I do Digital Independence Days, we already did local Linux install parties for seniors to get away from Windows.

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                • cyberquixote@infosec.exchangeC cyberquixote@infosec.exchange

                  @Em0nM4stodon I genuinely believe people don’t care anymore, my entire life in tech has been a farce and a sham.

                  good luck to everyone who even gives a fuck

                  cyberquixote@infosec.exchangeC This user is from outside of this forum
                  cyberquixote@infosec.exchangeC This user is from outside of this forum
                  cyberquixote@infosec.exchange
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #85

                  @Em0nM4stodon sorry if this is a bummer, i appreciate those still trying but i think at this point ive reached my stop.

                  em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE drwho@masto.hackers.townD 2 Replies Last reply
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                  • cyberquixote@infosec.exchangeC cyberquixote@infosec.exchange

                    @Em0nM4stodon sorry if this is a bummer, i appreciate those still trying but i think at this point ive reached my stop.

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                    em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange
                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #86

                    @cyberquixote

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                    • 98percent@mastodon.nz9 98percent@mastodon.nz

                      @Em0nM4stodon I live in New Zealand. The simple answer is no, we are not at all prepared.
                      Our government has been touting new data centres that have been established here to give us data sovereignty. But guess who runs them? AWS and Microsoft, for two.
                      Having the hardware on our soil is just an illusion of data sovereignty in my opinion (but I am not a tech expert).

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                      98percent@mastodon.nz
                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #87

                      @Em0nM4stodon As a further matter of interest, the banks here no longer accept or issue cheques (checks). So, we do not even have any form of manual fall-back system.

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                      • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                        If you live outside of the United States,
                        do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                        What would happen to your work?

                        What would happen to your hospitals?

                        What would happen to your emergency services?

                        What would happen to your banks?

                        Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                        What would happen?
                        Is your country prepared?

                        #DataSovereignty

                        snosrapkungfu@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
                        snosrapkungfu@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
                        snosrapkungfu@mastodon.social
                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                        #88

                        @Em0nM4stodon when can i move sounds blissful

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                        • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                          If you live outside of the United States,
                          do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                          What would happen to your work?

                          What would happen to your hospitals?

                          What would happen to your emergency services?

                          What would happen to your banks?

                          Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                          What would happen?
                          Is your country prepared?

                          #DataSovereignty

                          kameleonnn@mastodon.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
                          kameleonnn@mastodon.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
                          kameleonnn@mastodon.social
                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                          #89

                          @Em0nM4stodon no because we're too busy licking US' boots 🤷‍♂️

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                          • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                            @Javensbukan This is very reassuring to read 💚

                            javensbukan@cosocial.caJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                            javensbukan@cosocial.ca
                            wrote sidst redigeret af
                            #90

                            @Em0nM4stodon It's absolutely required when you're building a system out like this... The first site that went live had its first major event only about a month in - a fibre cut happened disabling all external network access to the hospital (including the backup!) 😦 - it was resolved fairly quickly within a day but yeah - you absolutely need 'old school' backup solutions for stuff like this 🫠

                            It's a matter of when, not if.

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                            • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                              If you live outside of the United States,
                              do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                              What would happen to your work?

                              What would happen to your hospitals?

                              What would happen to your emergency services?

                              What would happen to your banks?

                              Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                              What would happen?
                              Is your country prepared?

                              #DataSovereignty

                              angelascholder@mastodon.energyA This user is from outside of this forum
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                              angelascholder@mastodon.energy
                              wrote sidst redigeret af
                              #91

                              @Em0nM4stodon Simply chaos!

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                              • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                If you live outside of the United States,
                                do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                What would happen to your work?

                                What would happen to your hospitals?

                                What would happen to your emergency services?

                                What would happen to your banks?

                                Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                What would happen?
                                Is your country prepared?

                                #DataSovereignty

                                adhdruid@infosec.exchangeA This user is from outside of this forum
                                adhdruid@infosec.exchangeA This user is from outside of this forum
                                adhdruid@infosec.exchange
                                wrote sidst redigeret af
                                #92

                                @Em0nM4stodon on the whole, I’d say no, they’re not ready. But I think that’s more to do with the belief in the current mind rot passing, or the very real possibility of those companies actually leaving the US if it doesn’t.

                                The US is a very small market when compared to the rest of the world, those orgs would sink by quarter end. Way over-invested in infrastructure overseas, and I’d imagine it would be seized by government very quickly due to importance as critical national infrastructure.

                                That doesn’t mean there wouldn’t be a digital cataclysm in the interim. There definitely would.

                                From my standpoint, I’ve been designing resilient systems for a long while, and that means controlling the software and infrastructure, which is deeply unpopular but the only way to avoid these outcomes.

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                                • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                  If you live outside of the United States,
                                  do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                  What would happen to your work?

                                  What would happen to your hospitals?

                                  What would happen to your emergency services?

                                  What would happen to your banks?

                                  Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                  What would happen?
                                  Is your country prepared?

                                  #DataSovereignty

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                                  mcourcel@allovertheplace.ca
                                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                                  #93

                                  @Em0nM4stodon Hmm, interesting concept. Would the companies actually follow such a command? Because, they would lose all that revenue. Interesting.

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                                  • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                    If you live outside of the United States,
                                    do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                    What would happen to your work?

                                    What would happen to your hospitals?

                                    What would happen to your emergency services?

                                    What would happen to your banks?

                                    Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                    What would happen?
                                    Is your country prepared?

                                    #DataSovereignty

                                    htpcnz@mastodon.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    htpcnz@mastodon.social
                                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                                    #94

                                    @Em0nM4stodon Apple , Meta, Visa & MasterCard are few other critical ones missing on that list.

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                                    • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                      If you live outside of the United States,
                                      do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                      What would happen to your work?

                                      What would happen to your hospitals?

                                      What would happen to your emergency services?

                                      What would happen to your banks?

                                      Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                      What would happen?
                                      Is your country prepared?

                                      #DataSovereignty

                                      llanciawn@mastodon.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      llanciawn@mastodon.social
                                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                                      #95

                                      @Em0nM4stodon I raised this at work before I retired. They didn't take it seriously.

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                                      • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                        If you live outside of the United States,
                                        do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                        What would happen to your work?

                                        What would happen to your hospitals?

                                        What would happen to your emergency services?

                                        What would happen to your banks?

                                        Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                        What would happen?
                                        Is your country prepared?

                                        #DataSovereignty

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                                        rosepuckey@beige.party
                                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                                        #96

                                        @Em0nM4stodon Thanks @Em0nM4stodon I'm reading this at 23:20 and now mixing all of this into the usual how to sleep soundly type thoughts.

                                        Stuff it, I know a nice dry cave that I could happily live in. On fact, I may go and have a look tomorrow anyway.

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                                        • passenger@kolektiva.socialP passenger@kolektiva.social

                                          @mwt @blotosmetek @barbra @Em0nM4stodon

                                          A minicomputer as in a small computer or a minicomputer as in, like, a PDP-11? If you got Windows 2000 to run on a mini then that's extremely cool.

                                          angelascholder@mastodon.energyA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          angelascholder@mastodon.energy
                                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                                          #97

                                          @passenger @mwt @blotosmetek @barbra @Em0nM4stodon My Compaq EN6266 (technically a 6400) still runs with W2000.
                                          An other Compaq/HP still starts with XP Pro, at least did so a year ago.
                                          And, I resurrected my Aspire One netbook running W8.1 last year. Had died on the SSD, but running again with the last HDD before it.

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