Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

[ryanprior@mastodon.social]

@lumi @grote wait, this sounds really good though. Blocks in place for bad actors, super impossible to do by accident, but ultimately still full freedom to install anything you want, with a convenient way to revert to a more restricted install mode after a week passes.

This is _inconvenient_ for sure, but it seems designed to be asymmetrically more inconvenient for threat actors than for legit users. And we need serious meaningful friction to thwart scammers, domestic abusers, and them

[syn@plasmatrap.com]

@grote@chaos.social maybe bro should build an advanced flow for keeping the microphone a consistent distance from his mouth

[li@tech.lgbt]

@agowa338 @grote i mean its more 'sorry that the world is like this'

fuck hierachy, fuck power, fuck masters, fuck kings; no kings no masters, right?

.. but they'll never be effected by something thats supposed to give more power to your masters, and strip power from you;

[tay@tech.lgbt]

@grote a full 24 hour is crazy.

even apple have their security delay be only 1 hour

[nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social]

@lexinova @FifiSch @grote I'm sorry, I don't understand this post in that context.

[woosh@social.linux.pizza]

@grote It feels reasonable to me. I haven't realized the scale of the scamming problem they are dealing with. Perhaps we, as power users, underestimate this problem but I bet Google has some good amount of data on that.

[lexinova@cyberplace.social]

@nazokiyoubinbou @FifiSch @grote you don't need to "install" graphene os on the motorola partner.

the motorola graphene edition will already have graphene in it when buying it.

so people who want installing app but don't want to flash their device will naturally buy motorola

[_davd@mastodon.social]

@grote Well that's stupid

[hellomiakoda@pdx.social]

@lumi @grote This is why I put up with constant issues to carry a Linux phone.
Microsoft and Google are the best at convincing me to be patient with #Linux.

[azurearmageddon@mastodon.online]

@grote They should be jailed together with the scammers for doing this...

Meanwhile malware still being hawked on the play store...

Linux phones growing to be an ever more urgent project.

[pitchingniblick@mastodonapp.uk]

@grote
I already have developer options enabled. Will I just be jumped to "4. Enable the settings"? And how?

[nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social]

@lexinova @FifiSch @grote Yeah, and they very possibly won't have any other option. Like I said, the dev is pretty... stubborn about things...

But it won't be in stores most likely. You'll have to buy them online. Which means people will have to know of them first. And you know service providers aren't going to go out of their way to tell anyone.

And, like I said, it's going to be a very very limited set of options and probably quite costly. (The dev seems to have no problem expecting us to pay a lot.) That's if going commercial doesn't further ruin it all...

Not saying it's a bad thing, just that we can't count on this to open things up.

[epic_null@infosec.exchange]

@nazokiyoubinbou @FifiSch @grote Consider the failure state. If a user fails to set up installing outside programs, they can still use their phone and make calls. If a user fails to install a new OS, they have no phone until they succeed.

[31113@kolektiva.social]

@terminaltilt for the average person it's probably much more likely that someone's going to try to look over your shoulder or that one of the infinite surveillance cameras captures you entering your pin than it is that the cops force their finger on the fingerprint scanner. In that way biometrics are more secure and people should use them. Biometrics should just also be very easy to disable in moments where that threat is present

[lexinova@cyberplace.social]

@nazokiyoubinbou @FifiSch @grote sadly we don't have any other credible alternative.

bank and country already have great difficulty accepting the very hardened graphene os.

so don't expect linux phone or lineage to be allowed anytime soon

[snejpro@digitalcourage.social]

@woosh @grote

Yeah, the only problem i have with this approach: when I get a new phone I have to wait 24h until I can install my apps.

[harisont@mstdn.social]

@grote "sideloading", "power user"... all expressions that deliberately make it sound like installing a program of your choice on your computing device is this strange thing that hackers do

[nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social]

@argv_minus_one @FifiSch @grote Well, they made it more complicated than it seems. Running adb reboot bootloader is the fastest, most universal way to get to the bootloader, but every phone has a button combo you can use while turning it on. LineageOS instructions usually just tell you to do that I think.

The instructions do also make it sound more complicated than it actually is. When you get down to it, it really is "tap a few things, then copy and paste a couple of commands."

[roughnecks@mastodon.social]

@grote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guZbgOu-qqI

[nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social]

@Epic_Null @FifiSch @grote That's the assumption, yes.

Two things.

First, you can just flash again if you for some reason did something stupid like yanking out the cord while it was transferring.

Second, modern Android devices usually use two separate partitions. When you flash it goes to whichever it's not currently using. So if you render it broken and for some reason can't flash again, you can still just boot the first.

Again, people have let themselves be convinced to be scared of things rather than trying them.