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  3. The world’s solar capacity reached 1,419 gigawatts in 2023, way beyond any predictions.

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  • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

    The world’s solar capacity reached 1,419 gigawatts in 2023, way beyond any predictions. 1 gigawatt = power for a medium sized city

    martin@libera.siteM This user is from outside of this forum
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    #5
    @Information Is Beautiful Power for several hours a day. In winter time even weeks without power, sometimes.
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    • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

      The world’s solar capacity reached 1,419 gigawatts in 2023, way beyond any predictions. 1 gigawatt = power for a medium sized city

      mikestok@mstdn.caM This user is from outside of this forum
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      #6

      @talexb and the imbecile running Ontario is all in on imaginary nuclear technology (SMRs)

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      • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

        The world’s solar capacity reached 1,419 gigawatts in 2023, way beyond any predictions. 1 gigawatt = power for a medium sized city

        aanee@mastodon.onlineA This user is from outside of this forum
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        #7

        @infobeautiful A basic trend curve would have given a better prediction.

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        • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

          The world’s solar capacity reached 1,419 gigawatts in 2023, way beyond any predictions. 1 gigawatt = power for a medium sized city

          mewsleah@meow.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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          #8

          @infobeautiful how big is a medium sized city, in population terms?

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          • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

            The world’s solar capacity reached 1,419 gigawatts in 2023, way beyond any predictions. 1 gigawatt = power for a medium sized city

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            #9

            @infobeautiful why were people predicting a /downslope/ for so long, seems like a bizarre forecast. “Oh, solar rates have been climbing modestly for the last few years but I’m sure it’s just a passing fad…”

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            • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

              The world’s solar capacity reached 1,419 gigawatts in 2023, way beyond any predictions. 1 gigawatt = power for a medium sized city

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              #10

              @infobeautiful the IEA is famous for denying what cannot be denied until the very last minute.

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              • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                The world’s solar capacity reached 1,419 gigawatts in 2023, way beyond any predictions. 1 gigawatt = power for a medium sized city

                dzwiedziu@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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                #11

                @infobeautiful This might explain why I'm reading about prices of PV electricity sold to the grid plummeting (as there is barely any storage capacity).

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                • martin@libera.siteM martin@libera.site
                  @Information Is Beautiful Power for several hours a day. In winter time even weeks without power, sometimes.
                  tartley@fosstodon.orgT This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #12

                  @martin ??? Solar plus wind plus batteries provide power for free, reducing need for fossil fuel dependence by 80% or 100% in some places, what's not to like?

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                  • aanee@mastodon.onlineA aanee@mastodon.online

                    @infobeautiful A basic trend curve would have given a better prediction.

                    tartley@fosstodon.orgT This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #13

                    @aanee @infobeautiful while I'm 100% on board with you directionally, I suppose the counter argument would be that exponential growth has to tap out eventually, is just a question of when it turns into an S-curve.

                    aanee@mastodon.onlineA klegdixal@social.vivaldi.netK whvholst@eupolicy.socialW dryak@mstdn.scienceD bigheadmode@social.linux.pizzaB 5 Replies Last reply
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                    • tartley@fosstodon.orgT tartley@fosstodon.org

                      @aanee @infobeautiful while I'm 100% on board with you directionally, I suppose the counter argument would be that exponential growth has to tap out eventually, is just a question of when it turns into an S-curve.

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                      #14

                      @tartley @infobeautiful True enough, but I still think the expectations in the graph are extremely pessimistic.

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                      • tartley@fosstodon.orgT tartley@fosstodon.org

                        @aanee @infobeautiful while I'm 100% on board with you directionally, I suppose the counter argument would be that exponential growth has to tap out eventually, is just a question of when it turns into an S-curve.

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                        #15

                        @tartley @aanee @infobeautiful that's what the predictions assumed. But nobody expected the Chinese inquisition.

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                        • aanee@mastodon.onlineA aanee@mastodon.online

                          @tartley @infobeautiful True enough, but I still think the expectations in the graph are extremely pessimistic.

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                          @aanee @infobeautiful oh yes, you are absolutely right! Extremely well funded and insidious thumbs on the scales from the fossil fuel lobby.

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                          • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                            The world’s solar capacity reached 1,419 gigawatts in 2023, way beyond any predictions. 1 gigawatt = power for a medium sized city

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                            #17

                            @infobeautiful

                            Soon this will need a log scale…

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                            • tartley@fosstodon.orgT tartley@fosstodon.org

                              @aanee @infobeautiful while I'm 100% on board with you directionally, I suppose the counter argument would be that exponential growth has to tap out eventually, is just a question of when it turns into an S-curve.

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                              #18

                              @tartley @aanee @infobeautiful It will turn into an S-curve sometime after the full electrification of Africa, South and South-East Asia and Latin America.

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                              • tartley@fosstodon.orgT tartley@fosstodon.org

                                @martin ??? Solar plus wind plus batteries provide power for free, reducing need for fossil fuel dependence by 80% or 100% in some places, what's not to like?

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                                @Jonathan Hartley Nope. You need 100% backup(from about 50% of Ren share). Fossil backup.
                                That's why it's not cheap. and will not be. Never.

                                #^https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunkelflaute
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                                • dzwiedziu@mastodon.socialD dzwiedziu@mastodon.social

                                  @infobeautiful This might explain why I'm reading about prices of PV electricity sold to the grid plummeting (as there is barely any storage capacity).

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                                  @dzwiedziu @infobeautiful storage capacity is artifically restrained. We have the tech to store electricity cheap and with a one-time low investment and minimal maintenance sosts, we have the millenia old tech to store heat, yet more and more legislatures are -lobbied- bribed to make cheap perpetual solutions illegal.

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                                  • ohir@social.vivaldi.netO ohir@social.vivaldi.net

                                    @dzwiedziu @infobeautiful storage capacity is artifically restrained. We have the tech to store electricity cheap and with a one-time low investment and minimal maintenance sosts, we have the millenia old tech to store heat, yet more and more legislatures are -lobbied- bribed to make cheap perpetual solutions illegal.

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                                    #21

                                    @ohir
                                    [citation needed]

                                    @infobeautiful

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                                    • dzwiedziu@mastodon.socialD dzwiedziu@mastodon.social

                                      @ohir
                                      [citation needed]

                                      @infobeautiful

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                                      @dzwiedziu @infobeautiful are you asking about "lobbying" efforts (this would be R 2023/1542 and Digital Battery Passport kicking in next year). The whole regulations only skim non-patentable technologies, like lead-acid batteries. These can be operational for millenia, due to their simple chemistry. The only maintenance that must be done is on-site processing of sulfated battery plates. Something that once upon a time (1950-1990) was being done on the massive scale in Central/East Europe countries. Then lobbied country's legislative can bar mid-sized installations as unable to met the EU demands (tried recently in Poland afair).

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                                      • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                                        The world’s solar capacity reached 1,419 gigawatts in 2023, way beyond any predictions. 1 gigawatt = power for a medium sized city

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                                        @infobeautiful The opposite of

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                                        • tartley@fosstodon.orgT tartley@fosstodon.org

                                          @aanee @infobeautiful while I'm 100% on board with you directionally, I suppose the counter argument would be that exponential growth has to tap out eventually, is just a question of when it turns into an S-curve.

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                                          #24

                                          @tartley @aanee @infobeautiful Well, what would be a limitting factors that would make it more expensive/more difficult to keep expanding solar?

                                          => running out of physical space to build panels on:
                                          Yes but this isn't happening anytime soon and we would have beaten current world energy production well before that point is reached

                                          => running out or raw materials:
                                          Plenty of time until then too, and recycling older panels could help too.

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