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  3. For decades, descendants of the people who built Great Zimbabwe were told by colonial archaeologists that they couldn't possibly have built it.

For decades, descendants of the people who built Great Zimbabwe were told by colonial archaeologists that they couldn't possibly have built it.

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  • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

    @oscarfalcon No, I haven't ever been asked. I think others in the community don't appreciate my views and my dislike of the institutions and their attitudes. I also don't present the comforting view of traditional crafts that people like to have.

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    #14

    @kristiedegaris

    Oh, sad isn't it? missed opportunity to present a more broad piece of reporting...
    (Isn't their motto "educate, entertain and inform"? ha!, my arse...)

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    • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

      @alx @oscarfalcon Sadly, this is very true and again, while I can only talk specifically about drystone (as that is my main experience), it seems clear that the institutions at the front of these crafts have so much to answer for.

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      #15

      @kristiedegaris @alx

      Let's hope someday soon, they do.

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      • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

        @oscarfalcon No, I haven't ever been asked. I think others in the community don't appreciate my views and my dislike of the institutions and their attitudes. I also don't present the comforting view of traditional crafts that people like to have.

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        #16

        @kristiedegaris

        I appreciate what you do, truly.

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        • oscarfalcon@mastodon.socialO oscarfalcon@mastodon.social

          @kristiedegaris

          I appreciate what you do, truly.

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          #17

          @oscarfalcon This is very kind. Thank you! I love that people are engaging with this ancient craft and my thoughts on it.

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          • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

            @oscarfalcon This is very kind. Thank you! I love that people are engaging with this ancient craft and my thoughts on it.

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            #18

            @kristiedegaris

            I do, we do...

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            • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

              @alx @oscarfalcon Sadly, this is very true and again, while I can only talk specifically about drystone (as that is my main experience), it seems clear that the institutions at the front of these crafts have so much to answer for.

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              #19

              @kristiedegaris

              True, but this different evaluation of crafts has very deep roots in history, and it's been only exacerbated with the modern concept of "crafts" that emerged from the industrial revolution - especially in the colonial powers that industrialised first (the UK being the first). There is a countercurrent movement from large institutions, but I find more than often that - to value them - non-European crafts are hyper-romanticised, which isn't good either.

              @oscarfalcon

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              • alx@mastodon.designA alx@mastodon.design

                @kristiedegaris

                True, but this different evaluation of crafts has very deep roots in history, and it's been only exacerbated with the modern concept of "crafts" that emerged from the industrial revolution - especially in the colonial powers that industrialised first (the UK being the first). There is a countercurrent movement from large institutions, but I find more than often that - to value them - non-European crafts are hyper-romanticised, which isn't good either.

                @oscarfalcon

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                #20

                @alx @kristiedegaris

                Good Point.

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                • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

                  For decades, descendants of the people who built Great Zimbabwe were told by colonial archaeologists that they couldn't possibly have built it. This despite all the evidence & Zimbabwe meaning 'houses of stone' in the Shona language.

                  The ancient aliens industry applies the same logic to Sacsayhuamán in Peru.

                  Yet nobody questions who built the impressive structures in Rome or Greece.

                  Sunday's Drystone Diary will explore Whose History Is Worth Keeping?

                  #DrystoneDiary #Nature #Writing #History

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                  #21

                  @kristiedegaris was the last line meant to be a link?

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                  • oscarfalcon@mastodon.socialO oscarfalcon@mastodon.social

                    @alx @kristiedegaris

                    Good Point.

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                    #22

                    @oscarfalcon @alx I find the same about crafts in Europe tbh. This trend in UK publishing right now to romanticise crafts as purely meditative makes me so angry. The craft is in the body, the making unmakes the maker. That's ignored in favour of a pretty picture.

                    I think European insitutions that head up crafts have a responsibility to speak honestly and openly about this history and redress the balance where possible. I never see it happening.

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                    • afewbugs@social.coopA afewbugs@social.coop

                      @kristiedegaris was the last line meant to be a link?

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                      #23

                      @afewbugs Hello, no, it will come out on Sunday so doesn't exist yet. Thank you for checking though!

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                      • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

                        @afewbugs Hello, no, it will come out on Sunday so doesn't exist yet. Thank you for checking though!

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                        #24

                        @kristiedegaris thanks, look forward to it!

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                        • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

                          For decades, descendants of the people who built Great Zimbabwe were told by colonial archaeologists that they couldn't possibly have built it. This despite all the evidence & Zimbabwe meaning 'houses of stone' in the Shona language.

                          The ancient aliens industry applies the same logic to Sacsayhuamán in Peru.

                          Yet nobody questions who built the impressive structures in Rome or Greece.

                          Sunday's Drystone Diary will explore Whose History Is Worth Keeping?

                          #DrystoneDiary #Nature #Writing #History

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                          #25

                          You can read the first installment of Drystone Diary here

                          https://kristiedegaris.substack.com/p/drystone-diary-what-is-drystone

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                          • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

                            @oscarfalcon @alx I find the same about crafts in Europe tbh. This trend in UK publishing right now to romanticise crafts as purely meditative makes me so angry. The craft is in the body, the making unmakes the maker. That's ignored in favour of a pretty picture.

                            I think European insitutions that head up crafts have a responsibility to speak honestly and openly about this history and redress the balance where possible. I never see it happening.

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                            @kristiedegaris oh, totally agree and share your frustration. In my PhD I argue that this is a result of the displacement of craft from a proper economic activity (where economic=the management of the home/habitat/resources) vital for the communal life to an "artistic" (for lack of better terms) endeavour, having its primary role been taken over by industrial manufacturing. So someone can pursue only for "meaning" and/or "wellbeing". These institutions are built on this premise.

                            @oscarfalcon

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                            • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

                              For decades, descendants of the people who built Great Zimbabwe were told by colonial archaeologists that they couldn't possibly have built it. This despite all the evidence & Zimbabwe meaning 'houses of stone' in the Shona language.

                              The ancient aliens industry applies the same logic to Sacsayhuamán in Peru.

                              Yet nobody questions who built the impressive structures in Rome or Greece.

                              Sunday's Drystone Diary will explore Whose History Is Worth Keeping?

                              #DrystoneDiary #Nature #Writing #History

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                              #27

                              @kristiedegaris politics determines who the world is for, nothing more.

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                              • alx@mastodon.designA alx@mastodon.design

                                @kristiedegaris oh, totally agree and share your frustration. In my PhD I argue that this is a result of the displacement of craft from a proper economic activity (where economic=the management of the home/habitat/resources) vital for the communal life to an "artistic" (for lack of better terms) endeavour, having its primary role been taken over by industrial manufacturing. So someone can pursue only for "meaning" and/or "wellbeing". These institutions are built on this premise.

                                @oscarfalcon

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                                #28

                                @alx @oscarfalcon Is your thesis online? I would love to read more. What you are saying makes so much sense. Also so glad to meet you, in my world very few other people are thinking the same way that I am about this.

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                                • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

                                  @alx @oscarfalcon Is your thesis online? I would love to read more. What you are saying makes so much sense. Also so glad to meet you, in my world very few other people are thinking the same way that I am about this.

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                                  #29

                                  @kristiedegaris my thesis is in the making, due in January, but I'll make a note on sending a copy to you once it's finished 🙂

                                  The pleasure is mutual: I've been following you for some time now, I find your stories on drywall very inspiring.

                                  @oscarfalcon

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                                  • alx@mastodon.designA alx@mastodon.design

                                    @kristiedegaris my thesis is in the making, due in January, but I'll make a note on sending a copy to you once it's finished 🙂

                                    The pleasure is mutual: I've been following you for some time now, I find your stories on drywall very inspiring.

                                    @oscarfalcon

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                                    #30

                                    @alx @oscarfalcon I would absolutely love to read it. Thank you so much! And good luck with the final push.

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                                    • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

                                      @alx @oscarfalcon I would absolutely love to read it. Thank you so much! And good luck with the final push.

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                                      #31

                                      @kristiedegaris Thank you!

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                                      • kristiedegaris@mastodon.scotK kristiedegaris@mastodon.scot

                                        @oscarfalcon This is very kind. Thank you! I love that people are engaging with this ancient craft and my thoughts on it.

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                                        #32

                                        @kristiedegaris

                                        Ooh you'll get a kick out of this: a few years ago I did a "garden sculpture" for a house I designed and built and although it's not a wall, it is in the drystone technique... There are two standing stones and two shorter ones in the middle representing the four family members of this household.

                                        #stones #architecture #craft

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                                        • oscarfalcon@mastodon.socialO oscarfalcon@mastodon.social

                                          @kristiedegaris

                                          Ooh you'll get a kick out of this: a few years ago I did a "garden sculpture" for a house I designed and built and although it's not a wall, it is in the drystone technique... There are two standing stones and two shorter ones in the middle representing the four family members of this household.

                                          #stones #architecture #craft

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                                          #33

                                          @oscarfalcon I love this!! Once we have a bigger garden we are very keen to get some standing stones too.

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