They pay $34 for burgers.
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@futurebird @mekkaokereke means testing is a tax on welfare paid out to bureaucrats. Its mechanical molasses. Its bad
@NocturnalNessa @futurebird @mekkaokereke
It means test the system not the people.
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They pay $34 for burgers. Should their fire department service be free? Opening a new fire department in one of NYC's richest neighborhoods has some of America's pettiest journalists asking silly questions in headlines again.
The article acknowledges the fire department analogy, then blows past it.
️The solve for "Sometimes when a service like free childcare is available to all, marginalized communities get squeezed out," is "Address that racism."
It's not "Therefore waste incredible amounts of time and money trying to means test something that society should just make available to all.
"@mekkaokereke Another angle: What about the children of rich parents who are abused or neglected? The parents may be rich, but that doesn't mean the kids automatically are. What if the parents forget to pay the bill for school lunch? What if they choose not to?
It's not like there aren't high profile cases of ludicrously rich parents who hate their own children.
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They pay $34 for burgers. Should their fire department service be free? Opening a new fire department in one of NYC's richest neighborhoods has some of America's pettiest journalists asking silly questions in headlines again.
The article acknowledges the fire department analogy, then blows past it.
️The solve for "Sometimes when a service like free childcare is available to all, marginalized communities get squeezed out," is "Address that racism."
It's not "Therefore waste incredible amounts of time and money trying to means test something that society should just make available to all.
"@mekkaokereke So the questions about his universal childcare plan are raised by the fact that he actually meant universal childcare when he said it, is that right? Oh noes, a politician who means what he says.
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@rlonstein @futurebird @mekkaokereke Right. When I get food at teh food co-op, I like what I am paying for.
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They pay $34 for burgers. Should their fire department service be free? Opening a new fire department in one of NYC's richest neighborhoods has some of America's pettiest journalists asking silly questions in headlines again.
The article acknowledges the fire department analogy, then blows past it.
️The solve for "Sometimes when a service like free childcare is available to all, marginalized communities get squeezed out," is "Address that racism."
It's not "Therefore waste incredible amounts of time and money trying to means test something that society should just make available to all.
"@mekkaokereke strange that the answer is never, just make sure the rich pay fair taxes so everyone can have access to a standard level of services and expensive means testing is no longer needed.
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@mekkaokereke So the questions about his universal childcare plan are raised by the fact that he actually meant universal childcare when he said it, is that right? Oh noes, a politician who means what he says.
@mekkaokereke I mean, the correct answer to this question should be: "Yes, they're rich, but they also pay more than enough taxes to make good for it", and the true question is why it isn't.
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They pay $34 for burgers. Should their fire department service be free? Opening a new fire department in one of NYC's richest neighborhoods has some of America's pettiest journalists asking silly questions in headlines again.
The article acknowledges the fire department analogy, then blows past it.
️The solve for "Sometimes when a service like free childcare is available to all, marginalized communities get squeezed out," is "Address that racism."
It's not "Therefore waste incredible amounts of time and money trying to means test something that society should just make available to all.
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@realtegan @mekkaokereke "but then what about all the money wasted feeding rich people??" retort all the rich people, knowing the answer is taxes
@Yza @realtegan @mekkaokereke like most rich people wouldn't instantly get snobby about taking it and start conspicuously consuming something else to distance from it
also like... as if the rich don't already take far more from public funds anyway. drop in the ocean, well worth it for helping everyone
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“universal child care”
It’s right there in the name … “universal”
If you exclude rich kids it isn’t universal.But once you’ve accepted that some kids aren’t part of “universal” then you have accepted the supremacist frame: that some kids count and others don’t.
It’s a classic bait and switch. Next comes the excuses to exclude poor kids, or black kids, or indian kids, or muslim kids, or whoever they don’t see truly human.
@DavidM_yeg
Food is not a privilege.The implications of teaching anything else to kids are really scary.
I mean what ignorant adult would teach our kids that food is a privilege and then grow old and feeble and become a burden on society
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At this point I respond to this stuff with. "It's not gonna work. We're still raising your taxes. Frankly, I'd do it and burn the money at this point."
@futurebird
Taxes literally are burning money, thats what they are. Govt Spending creates money, taxes burn it up so as to prevent hoarding and inflation. #mmt
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@futurebird
Taxes literally are burning money, thats what they are. Govt Spending creates money, taxes burn it up so as to prevent hoarding and inflation. #mmt
@mekkaokereke@dlakelan @futurebird @mekkaokereke
Can work it out with pencil amd paper but popular econ mythology in service of avarice blinds us.
It's like "old time religion."
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@mekkaokereke it's just infuriating. it's not free! it's tax-supported, and if the system is working right, rich people pay more in taxes.
@portlandy @mekkaokereke Rich people don’t necessarily pay more in taxes. There are clever loopholes for rich people to use to avoid paying taxes, where working folks usually bear the biggest burden of taxation
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@dlakelan @futurebird @mekkaokereke
Can work it out with pencil amd paper but popular econ mythology in service of avarice blinds us.
It's like "old time religion."
@Doug_Bostrom
You can, except you need to first shovel all the bullshit out of the way before you can see the sunlight. Try to read what the Fed writes about the origin of money and its intentionally obfuscational. The Bank Of England published a paper a decade ago and its still actively opposed by that "old time religion"
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@mekkaokereke Another angle: What about the children of rich parents who are abused or neglected? The parents may be rich, but that doesn't mean the kids automatically are. What if the parents forget to pay the bill for school lunch? What if they choose not to?
It's not like there aren't high profile cases of ludicrously rich parents who hate their own children.
@sabrina @mekkaokereke This is such an excellent point that I'm shocked I've never heard anyone make before.
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They pay $34 for burgers. Should their fire department service be free? Opening a new fire department in one of NYC's richest neighborhoods has some of America's pettiest journalists asking silly questions in headlines again.
The article acknowledges the fire department analogy, then blows past it.
️The solve for "Sometimes when a service like free childcare is available to all, marginalized communities get squeezed out," is "Address that racism."
It's not "Therefore waste incredible amounts of time and money trying to means test something that society should just make available to all.
"@mekkaokereke New headline: "They use our roads, they use daycare - should they not pay at least some taxes?"
That's the means test in every situation. Claiming something is a 'free' service is glossing that the entire taxation question.
Tax the rich.
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@mekkaokereke Another angle: What about the children of rich parents who are abused or neglected? The parents may be rich, but that doesn't mean the kids automatically are. What if the parents forget to pay the bill for school lunch? What if they choose not to?
It's not like there aren't high profile cases of ludicrously rich parents who hate their own children.
@sabrina @mekkaokereke and all those "successful self-made small business entrepreneurs" who got where they are through child labor violations against their own children.
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@portlandy @mekkaokereke Rich people don’t necessarily pay more in taxes. There are clever loopholes for rich people to use to avoid paying taxes, where working folks usually bear the biggest burden of taxation
@wendinoakland @mekkaokereke oh I know. The system isn't working right. But heaven forbid they see fixing that as a viable solution to their made-up problem
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@rlonstein @futurebird @mekkaokereke Right. When I get food at teh food co-op, I like what I am paying for.
@rlonstein @futurebird @mekkaokereke When I don't get shit from Amazzzz....
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They pay $34 for burgers. Should their fire department service be free? Opening a new fire department in one of NYC's richest neighborhoods has some of America's pettiest journalists asking silly questions in headlines again.
The article acknowledges the fire department analogy, then blows past it.
️The solve for "Sometimes when a service like free childcare is available to all, marginalized communities get squeezed out," is "Address that racism."
It's not "Therefore waste incredible amounts of time and money trying to means test something that society should just make available to all.
"@mekkaokereke I love how we in this country love minding everyone's business but our own. Fuck means testing.
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@futurebird
Medicare for ALL
Housing for ALL
Healthcare for ALL
Education for ALL
Food for ALL
Pricey Burgers (from time to time) for ALLProgressive taxation and regulations that ensure good living wages are the right ways to deal with income inequality NOT withholding services from people because they are "too rich" to get them.
@camille @futurebird @mekkaokereke I worked with a corporate attorney who was losing her eyesight, and she was awarded SSDI at the hearing stage. Between her and her husband, I reckon their wealth was around $10 million. Family of four.
Clearly, she didn't need SSDI.
Yes, ensure the health and well being (housing, school, wages, etc.) for all, w/o means testing.
But the point is that while I do not favor means testing, the wealthy should not available themselves of these public goods.
Because they do not need them.
This is economic efficiency on the one hand, and compassion on the other.
