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  3. Something that hasn't been made clear: Firefox will have an option to completely disable all AI features.

Something that hasn't been made clear: Firefox will have an option to completely disable all AI features.

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  • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    Something that hasn't been made clear: Firefox will have an option to completely disable all AI features.

    We've been calling it the AI kill switch internally. I'm sure it'll ship with a less murderous name, but that's how seriously and absolutely we're taking this.

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    • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

      Something that hasn't been made clear: Firefox will have an option to completely disable all AI features.

      We've been calling it the AI kill switch internally. I'm sure it'll ship with a less murderous name, but that's how seriously and absolutely we're taking this.

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      firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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      #2

      All AI features will also be opt-in. I think there are some grey areas in what 'opt-in' means to different people (e.g. is a new toolbar button opt-in?), but the kill switch will absolutely remove all that stuff, and never show it in future. That's unambiguous.

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      • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

        All AI features will also be opt-in. I think there are some grey areas in what 'opt-in' means to different people (e.g. is a new toolbar button opt-in?), but the kill switch will absolutely remove all that stuff, and never show it in future. That's unambiguous.

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        #3

        I'm not asking for faith in our direction - the thing I love about the Firefox community is how open, honest, and technical it is.

        But I do ask that you don't have the opposite of faith. Like, try not to be determined that we're going to do the wrong thing here.

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        • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

          I'm not asking for faith in our direction - the thing I love about the Firefox community is how open, honest, and technical it is.

          But I do ask that you don't have the opposite of faith. Like, try not to be determined that we're going to do the wrong thing here.

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          #4

          I hope we can (re)gain your trust here.

          I don't personally work on this stuff, but I'll try hard to answer any questions you have.

          And other than that, I'll get back in my lane, and stick to web platform stuff.

          - Jake (@jaffathecake)

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          • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

            I hope we can (re)gain your trust here.

            I don't personally work on this stuff, but I'll try hard to answer any questions you have.

            And other than that, I'll get back in my lane, and stick to web platform stuff.

            - Jake (@jaffathecake)

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            #5

            @firefoxwebdevs @jaffathecake it’s hard to believe the “kill switch” will actually do what it says. We’ve been told time and time again “AI” will be “opt-in” just to have the features repeatedly turned back on after users have disabled them.

            Why is this *any* different?

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            • josh@vickerson.meJ josh@vickerson.me

              @firefoxwebdevs @jaffathecake it’s hard to believe the “kill switch” will actually do what it says. We’ve been told time and time again “AI” will be “opt-in” just to have the features repeatedly turned back on after users have disabled them.

              Why is this *any* different?

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              @josh @jaffathecake which features have you personally experienced this with in Firefox?

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              • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

                @josh @jaffathecake which features have you personally experienced this with in Firefox?

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                #7

                @firefoxwebdevs @josh @jaffathecake I have had browser.ml.* settings I disabled by hand in about:config re-enable repeatedly with new versions. I posted about it on bsky and a pile of other people chimed in saying the same had happened to them too.

                Do not try to pretend you don't know this was happening.

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                • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                  @firefoxwebdevs @josh @jaffathecake I have had browser.ml.* settings I disabled by hand in about:config re-enable repeatedly with new versions. I posted about it on bsky and a pile of other people chimed in saying the same had happened to them too.

                  Do not try to pretend you don't know this was happening.

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                  @davidgerard @firefoxwebdevs @josh @jaffathecake

                  ⏫ Firefox was all sorts of happy to answer questions until this one came up and they've been silent for 24 hours

                  🤔

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