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  3. The British Museum has removed the word #Palestine from displays about the ancient Middle East following complaints.

The British Museum has removed the word #Palestine from displays about the ancient Middle East following complaints.

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  • harriettmb@toot.walesH harriettmb@toot.wales

    @Geri Labour Friends of Israel, and other similar organisations, I have no doubt. They may as well get rid of the entire Bible at this rate - why would any deity be encouraging the people to flee, or to fight when there’s no opponent?
    This is appalling, and the Museum should be boycotted forthwith. So much of the treasures and items there belong to other civilisations and other countries and they should be returned forthwith.

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    #30

    @HarriettMB @Geri You can’t wipe out an historical area by text editing. Next it will be Wessex

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    • vy@mastodon.socialV vy@mastodon.social

      @charlesdelavalleepoussin @Geri But the historical facts are that "Palestine" was a Roman name for the province that they conquered in the Jewish Wars and was imposed on Judea after the Roman genocide. Also, European gentiles called European Jews "Palestinians" after the middle ages. Trying to rewrite history is Orwellian.

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      #31

      @vy @Geri

      You seem like the person in the room who says "but Hitler was a vegetarian and loved animals".

      You appear to demonstrate an immaturity, a naiveté, about the wider context that includes

      1. A malevolent group, the UKLFI, pressuring British institutions to make changes in a way that they would not do. The same group that forced a London hospital to be take down childrens art.

      2. The ramping up of the genocide of Palestine, its people, culture, its history, its very memory.

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      • charlesdelavalleepoussin@mastodon.socialC charlesdelavalleepoussin@mastodon.social

        @vy @Geri

        You seem like the person in the room who says "but Hitler was a vegetarian and loved animals".

        You appear to demonstrate an immaturity, a naiveté, about the wider context that includes

        1. A malevolent group, the UKLFI, pressuring British institutions to make changes in a way that they would not do. The same group that forced a London hospital to be take down childrens art.

        2. The ramping up of the genocide of Palestine, its people, culture, its history, its very memory.

        1/2

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        #32

        @vy @Geri

        If the museum wanted to change the names, they would normally do this through a scholarly and consultantive open process.

        Not because a nasty evil group like the UKLFI bullied them to do it.

        That sets a dangerous precedent.

        And that's what you're missing.

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        • geri@mastodon.onlineG geri@mastodon.online

          The British Museum has removed the word #Palestine from displays about the ancient Middle East following complaints.

          Maps and information boards about ancient Egypt and the seafaring Phoenicians labelled the eastern coast of the Mediterranean as Palestine, and some peoples were described as being “of Palestinian descent”

          And so the British Museum has decided to remove that word.

          Who do you think made those complaints?

          #freepalestine

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          #33

          @Geri

          Why not do what Ireland is doing?

          Ireland to draw up policy on returning historical artefacts to their countries of origin

          https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/2023/06/20/ireland-to-draw-up-policy-on-returning-historical-artefacts-to-their-countries-of-origin/

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          • charlesdelavalleepoussin@mastodon.socialC charlesdelavalleepoussin@mastodon.social

            @vy @Geri

            You seem like the person in the room who says "but Hitler was a vegetarian and loved animals".

            You appear to demonstrate an immaturity, a naiveté, about the wider context that includes

            1. A malevolent group, the UKLFI, pressuring British institutions to make changes in a way that they would not do. The same group that forced a London hospital to be take down childrens art.

            2. The ramping up of the genocide of Palestine, its people, culture, its history, its very memory.

            1/2

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            #34

            @charlesdelavalleepoussin @Geri You appear to represent a common trend for Europeans to believe that making up conspiracy stories about Jews relieves Europeans of blame for Colonialism and Holocaust.

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            • geri@mastodon.onlineG geri@mastodon.online

              The British Museum has removed the word #Palestine from displays about the ancient Middle East following complaints.

              Maps and information boards about ancient Egypt and the seafaring Phoenicians labelled the eastern coast of the Mediterranean as Palestine, and some peoples were described as being “of Palestinian descent”

              And so the British Museum has decided to remove that word.

              Who do you think made those complaints?

              #freepalestine

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              #35

              @Geri The chair of the BM is George Osborne a man I trust. I also throw grand pianos as a hobby

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              • charlesdelavalleepoussin@mastodon.socialC charlesdelavalleepoussin@mastodon.social

                @vy @Geri

                If the museum wanted to change the names, they would normally do this through a scholarly and consultantive open process.

                Not because a nasty evil group like the UKLFI bullied them to do it.

                That sets a dangerous precedent.

                And that's what you're missing.

                2/2

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                #36

                @charlesdelavalleepoussin @Geri You have no idea why they made the decision, you're just making up a story that makes feel angry.

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                • harriettmb@toot.walesH harriettmb@toot.wales

                  @vy @Geri I’m not religious at all. I was thinking of all those individuals who use religious texts for their justification of abhorrent and genocidal actions.

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                  #37

                  @HarriettMB @Geri This has nothing to do with religion but only with historical accuracy. "Palestine" was a Roman word for Judea. It had nothing to with with modern Palestinians and, in fact, European gentiles used to call Jews in Europe "Palestinians" until they murdered most of them.

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                  • geri@mastodon.onlineG geri@mastodon.online

                    The British Museum has removed the word #Palestine from displays about the ancient Middle East following complaints.

                    Maps and information boards about ancient Egypt and the seafaring Phoenicians labelled the eastern coast of the Mediterranean as Palestine, and some peoples were described as being “of Palestinian descent”

                    And so the British Museum has decided to remove that word.

                    Who do you think made those complaints?

                    #freepalestine

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                    #38

                    @Geri Oh wow, is that true?

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                    • geri@mastodon.onlineG geri@mastodon.online

                      The British Museum has removed the word #Palestine from displays about the ancient Middle East following complaints.

                      Maps and information boards about ancient Egypt and the seafaring Phoenicians labelled the eastern coast of the Mediterranean as Palestine, and some peoples were described as being “of Palestinian descent”

                      And so the British Museum has decided to remove that word.

                      Who do you think made those complaints?

                      #freepalestine

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                      #39

                      @Geri el puto netanayahu,y su puñetero gobierno.

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                      • vy@mastodon.socialV vy@mastodon.social

                        @charlesdelavalleepoussin @Geri You appear to represent a common trend for Europeans to believe that making up conspiracy stories about Jews relieves Europeans of blame for Colonialism and Holocaust.

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                        #40

                        @vy @Geri

                        Thank you for demonstrating to any readers the weaknesses of European liberals on this matter.

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                        • vy@mastodon.socialV vy@mastodon.social

                          @charlesdelavalleepoussin @Geri You have no idea why they made the decision, you're just making up a story that makes feel angry.

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                          #41

                          @vy @Geri

                          Oh but the UKLFI have admitted they did it.

                          It's on their own website.

                          You need to grow up.

                          https://www.uklfi.com/british-museum-reviewing-palestine-terminology-in-galleries-after-audience-testing

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                          • charlesdelavalleepoussin@mastodon.socialC charlesdelavalleepoussin@mastodon.social

                            @vy @Geri

                            Oh but the UKLFI have admitted they did it.

                            It's on their own website.

                            You need to grow up.

                            https://www.uklfi.com/british-museum-reviewing-palestine-terminology-in-galleries-after-audience-testing

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                            #42

                            @charlesdelavalleepoussin @Geri What they said on their website is "UKLFI requested that the Museum review its collections and revise terminology so regions are referred to by historically accurate names such as Canaan, the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, or Judea, depending on the period being described." so they asked for that "scholarly" process. Is there something wrong with that? Is it accurate to use the European term "Palestine" for ancient Cannonite cities?

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                            • charlesdelavalleepoussin@mastodon.socialC charlesdelavalleepoussin@mastodon.social

                              @vy @Geri

                              You seem like the person in the room who says "but Hitler was a vegetarian and loved animals".

                              You appear to demonstrate an immaturity, a naiveté, about the wider context that includes

                              1. A malevolent group, the UKLFI, pressuring British institutions to make changes in a way that they would not do. The same group that forced a London hospital to be take down childrens art.

                              2. The ramping up of the genocide of Palestine, its people, culture, its history, its very memory.

                              1/2

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                              #43

                              @charlesdelavalleepoussin @Geri The use of "Palestine" to describe parts of the Levant was in pre-Roman times is a European anachronism and is not accurate.

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                              • J justinmac84@mastodon.social

                                @Geri Jesus Christ!

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                                #44

                                @JustinMac84 @Geri eh? How he could be involved if the actual people making the complaints, Jews, were the ones who murdered Him.

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                                • charlesdelavalleepoussin@mastodon.socialC charlesdelavalleepoussin@mastodon.social

                                  @vy @Geri

                                  Thank you for demonstrating to any readers the weaknesses of European liberals on this matter.

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                                  #45

                                  @charlesdelavalleepoussin @Geri I am for historical accuracy in museum exhibitions. If that is weakness, so be it.

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                                  • kate@hai.z0ne.socialK kate@hai.z0ne.social

                                    @Geri@mastodon.online ..UK seems to now have developed a full illness about Palestine with a rash on every face and fever inside almost every brain?
                                    I would have thought that the name "Farage" would have caused something alike.
                                    What is this obsession? Instead of defending an unstable description of ideas about Palestine and recognizing actual facts they seem to put much effort into useless scaffolding to support the feverish Palestine aversion?
                                    Is everybody mad now?

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                                    #46

                                    @kate @Geri Well it's quite easy to understand that Israel led a blackmail operation and now have UK under their control. Kinda like how Russia was able to influence Brexit in UK. UK politicians are always up for highest bidder.

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                                    • vy@mastodon.socialV vy@mastodon.social

                                      @charlesdelavalleepoussin @Geri What they said on their website is "UKLFI requested that the Museum review its collections and revise terminology so regions are referred to by historically accurate names such as Canaan, the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, or Judea, depending on the period being described." so they asked for that "scholarly" process. Is there something wrong with that? Is it accurate to use the European term "Palestine" for ancient Cannonite cities?

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                                      #47

                                      @vy @Geri

                                      What was this scholarly process?

                                      If you weren't so naive you'd realise that letter was a threat.

                                      That group had form.

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                                      • vy@mastodon.socialV vy@mastodon.social

                                        @Geri Who made those complaints? People who object to fake history. The word "Palestine" was used by Roman (European) imperialists for what was left over after their genocide in Israel/Judea. There is no evidence of prior use.

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                                        #48

                                        @vy The term "Peleset" appears in Egyptian inscriptions around 1150 BCE. Later, the Greek historian Herodotus used "Palaistinē" in the 5th century BCE to describe the region

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