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That's absolutely sad to read.

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  • thejessiekirk@ohai.socialT thejessiekirk@ohai.social

    @gemmy There is literally a link from Flamman, a good source. I don't know why you won't accept it but it's important to do so, even if we don't like it. @lostgen

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    #11

    @thejessiekirk @lostgen

    That's only one source;
    One I've never heard before;
    With historic links to Autocracy Inc;
    And providing no proof.

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      @thejessiekirk @lostgen

      That's only one source;
      One I've never heard before;
      With historic links to Autocracy Inc;
      And providing no proof.

      thejessiekirk@ohai.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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      #12

      @gemmy "I've never heard of a newspaper, therefore it is not a valid source"... really? @lostgen

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      • lostgen@det.socialL lostgen@det.social

        That's absolutely sad to read. The CEO of @mullvadnet is not only financing the far-right Swedish Örebro party, but he even is their main financer. 70+% of their money is his donation. He is the reason why they go nationwide this year.

        For obvious reasons i cease to trust this service. Also i do not finance parties that aim for forced deportations.

        https://www.flamman.se/techprofil-ger-miljoner-till-orebropartiet/

        #Mullvad

        pi_r@corneill.esP This user is from outside of this forum
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        #13

        @lostgen @mtriclot Here is their response :
        "Hello,

        Mullvad is a political company. We fight for freedom of speech, freedom of information and the right to privacy. These are firmly held values of the founders of Mullvad.

        Mullvad protects the right for people to express things we don't agree with. We protect the right of everyone to access views we don't agree with.

        We also live these values by being tolerant in our daily work. Everyone is welcome to collaborate with Mullvad if they share these narrow core values. As employees, contractors, customers, suppliers, lobbyists, campaign partners or whatever it might be. No matter what their other opinions are and no matter whether the founders or anyone else in Mullvad dislike them. The founders themselves fundamentally disagree on several important issues.

        This is what allows us to advance our common causes. Being in a tolerant and intellectually open environment is also liberating and promotes truth seeking.

        The more people do this, the better a place the world will be.

        It should be obvious that Daniel's private donation to a political party is not part of Mullvad's values or mission, in the same way that someone's opinions on animal rights, taxes or public healthcare policy isn't."

        My response : You say: “Mullvad defends the right of individuals to express opinions with which we disagree. We defend everyone’s right to access viewpoints with which we disagree.”
        This is a purely rhetorical statement that no one (not even you) can agree with. You wouldn’t defend opinions that call for murder, to put it bluntly.
        In my case, I do not agree with giving free rein to fascist opinions. The world does not become a better place because of them, contrary to what you write.
        It’s clearly not possible to get a refund: you have a 14-day cancellation policy (which has expired in my case), and I don’t blame you for that. I shouldn’t have paid for such a long period, especially with a non-decreasing rate, and I’m the only one to blame. I just wanted you to know why I won’t be renewing, and why I’ll be urging everyone to steer clear of Mullvad."

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        • thejessiekirk@ohai.socialT thejessiekirk@ohai.social

          @gemmy "I've never heard of a newspaper, therefore it is not a valid source"... really? @lostgen

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          #14

          @thejessiekirk @lostgen

          That's not what I meant. I meant taking into account all these factors, there is nothing that suggests those allegations are actually true.

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          • lostgen@det.socialL lostgen@det.social

            That's absolutely sad to read. The CEO of @mullvadnet is not only financing the far-right Swedish Örebro party, but he even is their main financer. 70+% of their money is his donation. He is the reason why they go nationwide this year.

            For obvious reasons i cease to trust this service. Also i do not finance parties that aim for forced deportations.

            https://www.flamman.se/techprofil-ger-miljoner-till-orebropartiet/

            #Mullvad

            tk@social.apreslanu.itT This user is from outside of this forum
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            tk@social.apreslanu.it
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            #15

            @lostgen @mullvadnet coincidentally, mozilla vpn is mullvad with a skin and a markup.

            https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/subscription-services/

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            • lostgen@det.socialL lostgen@det.social

              That's absolutely sad to read. The CEO of @mullvadnet is not only financing the far-right Swedish Örebro party, but he even is their main financer. 70+% of their money is his donation. He is the reason why they go nationwide this year.

              For obvious reasons i cease to trust this service. Also i do not finance parties that aim for forced deportations.

              https://www.flamman.se/techprofil-ger-miljoner-till-orebropartiet/

              #Mullvad

              astro@beige.partyA This user is from outside of this forum
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              astro@beige.party
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              #16

              @lostgen @mullvadnet

              well that sucks. i do not use mullvad and now i am glad i don’t .

              mullvadnet@mastodon.onlineM 1 Reply Last reply
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              • pi_r@corneill.esP pi_r@corneill.es

                @lostgen @mtriclot Here is their response :
                "Hello,

                Mullvad is a political company. We fight for freedom of speech, freedom of information and the right to privacy. These are firmly held values of the founders of Mullvad.

                Mullvad protects the right for people to express things we don't agree with. We protect the right of everyone to access views we don't agree with.

                We also live these values by being tolerant in our daily work. Everyone is welcome to collaborate with Mullvad if they share these narrow core values. As employees, contractors, customers, suppliers, lobbyists, campaign partners or whatever it might be. No matter what their other opinions are and no matter whether the founders or anyone else in Mullvad dislike them. The founders themselves fundamentally disagree on several important issues.

                This is what allows us to advance our common causes. Being in a tolerant and intellectually open environment is also liberating and promotes truth seeking.

                The more people do this, the better a place the world will be.

                It should be obvious that Daniel's private donation to a political party is not part of Mullvad's values or mission, in the same way that someone's opinions on animal rights, taxes or public healthcare policy isn't."

                My response : You say: “Mullvad defends the right of individuals to express opinions with which we disagree. We defend everyone’s right to access viewpoints with which we disagree.”
                This is a purely rhetorical statement that no one (not even you) can agree with. You wouldn’t defend opinions that call for murder, to put it bluntly.
                In my case, I do not agree with giving free rein to fascist opinions. The world does not become a better place because of them, contrary to what you write.
                It’s clearly not possible to get a refund: you have a 14-day cancellation policy (which has expired in my case), and I don’t blame you for that. I shouldn’t have paid for such a long period, especially with a non-decreasing rate, and I’m the only one to blame. I just wanted you to know why I won’t be renewing, and why I’ll be urging everyone to steer clear of Mullvad."

                naich@fosstodon.orgN This user is from outside of this forum
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                naich@fosstodon.org
                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #17

                @pi_r @lostgen @mtriclot
                And, of course, everyone has the freedom to use a different VPN. Proton VPN seems pretty good and they have a native Linux client.

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                • G gemmy@mastodon.social

                  @thejessiekirk @lostgen

                  That's not what I meant. I meant taking into account all these factors, there is nothing that suggests those allegations are actually true.

                  thejessiekirk@ohai.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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                  thejessiekirk@ohai.social
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                  #18

                  @gemmy Okay, but first we're talking about your claim that you not having heard of it renders the source invalid before we move onto your other points. Are you going to acknowledge that onu was silly? @lostgen

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                  • lostgen@det.socialL lostgen@det.social

                    That's absolutely sad to read. The CEO of @mullvadnet is not only financing the far-right Swedish Örebro party, but he even is their main financer. 70+% of their money is his donation. He is the reason why they go nationwide this year.

                    For obvious reasons i cease to trust this service. Also i do not finance parties that aim for forced deportations.

                    https://www.flamman.se/techprofil-ger-miljoner-till-orebropartiet/

                    #Mullvad

                    jenshansen@jens.metodistiudine.nohost.meJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                    jenshansen@jens.metodistiudine.nohost.me
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                    #19

                    @lostgen @mullvadnet thank you for publishing. It is now clear for me not to continue with mullvad

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                    • thejessiekirk@ohai.socialT thejessiekirk@ohai.social

                      @gemmy Okay, but first we're talking about your claim that you not having heard of it renders the source invalid before we move onto your other points. Are you going to acknowledge that onu was silly? @lostgen

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                      gemmy@mastodon.social
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                      #20

                      @thejessiekirk @lostgen

                      ????

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                        jae@mastodon.bsd.cafe
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                        #21

                        @lostgen @gemmy you can send your mullvad creds to one of us. we're happy to use it.

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                        • naich@fosstodon.orgN naich@fosstodon.org

                          @pi_r @lostgen @mtriclot
                          And, of course, everyone has the freedom to use a different VPN. Proton VPN seems pretty good and they have a native Linux client.

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                          froztbyte@mastodon.social
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                          #22

                          @Naich @pi_r @lostgen @mtriclot Proton is worse - they frequently misrepresent across a lot of their products and they have snitched on people using their service. And that’s just the bits we know - there’s almost certainly more we don’t know yet

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                          • jenshansen@jens.metodistiudine.nohost.meJ jenshansen@jens.metodistiudine.nohost.me

                            @lostgen @mullvadnet thank you for publishing. It is now clear for me not to continue with mullvad

                            mullvadnet@mastodon.onlineM This user is from outside of this forum
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                            mullvadnet@mastodon.online
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                            #23

                            @jenshansen @lostgen

                            Mullvad is a political company fighting for free speech, free information and privacy, with two equal co-founders, co-owners and co-CEOs who fundamentally disagree on many issues. Daniel's donation to a political party is private and not part of Mullvad's mission. We protect the right to express and access views we disagree with. We welcome anyone sharing these core values, whatever their other opinions. We are happy to refund others who don't, where we can.

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                            • astro@beige.partyA astro@beige.party

                              @lostgen @mullvadnet

                              well that sucks. i do not use mullvad and now i am glad i don’t .

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                              mullvadnet@mastodon.online
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                              #24

                              @astro @lostgen

                              Mullvad is a political company fighting for free speech, free information and privacy, with two equal co-founders, co-owners and co-CEOs who fundamentally disagree on many issues. Daniel's donation to a political party is private and not part of Mullvad's mission. We protect the right to express and access views we disagree with. We welcome anyone sharing these core values, whatever their other opinions. We are happy to refund others who don't, where we can.

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                              • lostgen@det.socialL lostgen@det.social

                                That's absolutely sad to read. The CEO of @mullvadnet is not only financing the far-right Swedish Örebro party, but he even is their main financer. 70+% of their money is his donation. He is the reason why they go nationwide this year.

                                For obvious reasons i cease to trust this service. Also i do not finance parties that aim for forced deportations.

                                https://www.flamman.se/techprofil-ger-miljoner-till-orebropartiet/

                                #Mullvad

                                mullvadnet@mastodon.onlineM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                mullvadnet@mastodon.online
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                                #25

                                @lostgen

                                Mullvad is a political company fighting for free speech, free information and privacy, with two equal co-founders, co-owners and co-CEOs who fundamentally disagree on many issues. Daniel's donation to a political party is private and not part of Mullvad's mission. We protect the right to express and access views we disagree with. We welcome anyone sharing these core values, whatever their other opinions. We are happy to refund others who don't, where we can.

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                                • mullvadnet@mastodon.onlineM mullvadnet@mastodon.online

                                  @lostgen

                                  Mullvad is a political company fighting for free speech, free information and privacy, with two equal co-founders, co-owners and co-CEOs who fundamentally disagree on many issues. Daniel's donation to a political party is private and not part of Mullvad's mission. We protect the right to express and access views we disagree with. We welcome anyone sharing these core values, whatever their other opinions. We are happy to refund others who don't, where we can.

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                                  lostgen@det.social
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                                  #26

                                  @mullvadnet
                                  Please address the two concerns I raised in my post. This is a generic statement you seem to send currently to many concerned users.

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                                  • mullvadnet@mastodon.onlineM mullvadnet@mastodon.online

                                    @lostgen

                                    Mullvad is a political company fighting for free speech, free information and privacy, with two equal co-founders, co-owners and co-CEOs who fundamentally disagree on many issues. Daniel's donation to a political party is private and not part of Mullvad's mission. We protect the right to express and access views we disagree with. We welcome anyone sharing these core values, whatever their other opinions. We are happy to refund others who don't, where we can.

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                                    estelle4565@masto.nu
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                                    #27

                                    @mullvadnet @lostgen
                                    So how do we get a refund? I do not want my money to fund fascists and any money going to mullvad is money going to one of your co-founders, which then funds fascists. You either kick him or you will loose my business going forward.

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                                    • estelle4565@masto.nuE estelle4565@masto.nu

                                      @mullvadnet @lostgen
                                      So how do we get a refund? I do not want my money to fund fascists and any money going to mullvad is money going to one of your co-founders, which then funds fascists. You either kick him or you will loose my business going forward.

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                                      mullvadnet@mastodon.online
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                                      #28

                                      @estelle4565 @lostgen

                                      Please contact our Support Team by email:

                                      support at mullvadvpn dot net

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                                      • mullvadnet@mastodon.onlineM mullvadnet@mastodon.online

                                        @lostgen

                                        Mullvad is a political company fighting for free speech, free information and privacy, with two equal co-founders, co-owners and co-CEOs who fundamentally disagree on many issues. Daniel's donation to a political party is private and not part of Mullvad's mission. We protect the right to express and access views we disagree with. We welcome anyone sharing these core values, whatever their other opinions. We are happy to refund others who don't, where we can.

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                                        vksxypants@mastodon.social
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                                        #29

                                        @mullvadnet @lostgen I'm not sure why you think spamming everyone with this same standard corporate non-response is a good idea.

                                        anyway, I'm sure you would defend our right to free speech in spreading the word far and wide that paying for Mullvad ends up pays for fascists, and our right to free association by cancelling our subscriptions, such is your unwavering commitment to our freedom.

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                                        • mullvadnet@mastodon.onlineM mullvadnet@mastodon.online

                                          @astro @lostgen

                                          Mullvad is a political company fighting for free speech, free information and privacy, with two equal co-founders, co-owners and co-CEOs who fundamentally disagree on many issues. Daniel's donation to a political party is private and not part of Mullvad's mission. We protect the right to express and access views we disagree with. We welcome anyone sharing these core values, whatever their other opinions. We are happy to refund others who don't, where we can.

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                                          #30

                                          @mullvadnet @astro @lostgen
                                          It's not part of Mullvad's mission, just part of the mission of one of the most powerful people driving Mullvad's mission. Got it.

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