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  3. As a GP in Germany, I struggle with the claim that “people don’t want to work.”

As a GP in Germany, I struggle with the claim that “people don’t want to work.”

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  • hoppla@mas.toH hoppla@mas.to

    As a GP in Germany, I struggle with the claim that “people don’t want to work.” In daily practice, I see the opposite: many patients push themselves to keep working, even when they should rest. They worry about burdening colleagues, unfinished tasks, or upcoming deadlines.

    If we want to understand rising sick leave, we need to look at real factors: increasing workload, constant pressure, lack of recovery time, social isolation, and overall exhaustion. Reducing this to a question of “motivation” ignores both evidence and lived experience.

    In my experience, people who genuinely try to avoid work are a tiny minority. Framing the issue this way feels similar to old narratives about unemployment—oversimplified, misleading, and disconnected from reality.

    #MedMastodon #GeneralPractice #PrimaryCare #WorkStress #MentalHealth #SickLeave #HealthPolicy #Germany #Arbeitswelt #Burnout #PublicHealth #Reform #AU #Arbeitsunfähigkeit #Gesundheitsreform #gesundheitspolitik #gesundheitssystem

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    #67

    @hoppla This is also the traditional decoy of austerity politics in a society suffering from toxic individualism. Every single thing can then be blamed on the individual even if the causes or the situation is beyond their control and a result of problems of the systemic kind. Unemployed? Lazy and not willing (enough) to work. Anxious? Not trying enough to think in a positive way, etc. All mostly just a way for those in power to not aknowledge that something needs to change.

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    • aerique@genart.socialA aerique@genart.social

      @hoppla I hear this a lot in The Netherlands as well about Dutch people not wanting to work in agriculture and hence a lot of it is done by people from Eastern Europe.

      I think most wouldn't mind doing the work but they don't want to be exploited by the agro industry like the current workers are.

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      #68

      @aerique @hoppla
      That's the same thing they've told me out here on the west coast my entire life.

      But at the same time, they weren't given shade, water, portapotties, wash stations, and no path to training!

      That and there's like this minimum hours of availability at 'all' but they're required to give you none. Of course people are going to be sick with four to six eight to ten hour shifts and an hour of commute.

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      • cflynnbooks@mastodonapp.ukC cflynnbooks@mastodonapp.uk

        @hoppla
        In the UK, government figures list almost 3 Million unemployed (even when they change the way they count) but less than 500,000 jobs available.

        The UK government still believes ‘trickle down economics’ will work, because they are owned by the millionaires who fund them.

        Basic maths demonstrates that over 2 Million people have ZERO chance of getting a job, yet the automation and AI policies march forwards, exacerbating the situation.

        Who benefits from tax breaks for automation and AI? Why do they have the right to call the unemployed ‘workshy’ when the company owners are causing the problem, and government is aiding in their scheme?

        Water companies are telling us they have banned hosepipes. We must not use water. At the same time, our government is approving dozens of AI datacentres that will use millions of gallons of water that should be available for people to drink. Water infrastructure in the UK has not improved in 20 years.

        Cui bono?
        #uk #ai #water

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        #69

        @cflynnbooks @hoppla
        The problem is your local water situation and the average availability of nonpotable water for datacenters across the country are not apples to apples.

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        • hoppla@mas.toH hoppla@mas.to

          As a GP in Germany, I struggle with the claim that “people don’t want to work.” In daily practice, I see the opposite: many patients push themselves to keep working, even when they should rest. They worry about burdening colleagues, unfinished tasks, or upcoming deadlines.

          If we want to understand rising sick leave, we need to look at real factors: increasing workload, constant pressure, lack of recovery time, social isolation, and overall exhaustion. Reducing this to a question of “motivation” ignores both evidence and lived experience.

          In my experience, people who genuinely try to avoid work are a tiny minority. Framing the issue this way feels similar to old narratives about unemployment—oversimplified, misleading, and disconnected from reality.

          #MedMastodon #GeneralPractice #PrimaryCare #WorkStress #MentalHealth #SickLeave #HealthPolicy #Germany #Arbeitswelt #Burnout #PublicHealth #Reform #AU #Arbeitsunfähigkeit #Gesundheitsreform #gesundheitspolitik #gesundheitssystem

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          glitzersachen@hachyderm.io
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          #70

          @hoppla

          > the issue this way feels similar to old narratives about unemployment—oversimplified, misleading, and disconnected from reality.

          And it comes out of the same quarters. So no surprise here. The surprise is rather that the voters either fall for it, or seem to forget it until the next election.

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          • hoppla@mas.toH hoppla@mas.to

            As a GP in Germany, I struggle with the claim that “people don’t want to work.” In daily practice, I see the opposite: many patients push themselves to keep working, even when they should rest. They worry about burdening colleagues, unfinished tasks, or upcoming deadlines.

            If we want to understand rising sick leave, we need to look at real factors: increasing workload, constant pressure, lack of recovery time, social isolation, and overall exhaustion. Reducing this to a question of “motivation” ignores both evidence and lived experience.

            In my experience, people who genuinely try to avoid work are a tiny minority. Framing the issue this way feels similar to old narratives about unemployment—oversimplified, misleading, and disconnected from reality.

            #MedMastodon #GeneralPractice #PrimaryCare #WorkStress #MentalHealth #SickLeave #HealthPolicy #Germany #Arbeitswelt #Burnout #PublicHealth #Reform #AU #Arbeitsunfähigkeit #Gesundheitsreform #gesundheitspolitik #gesundheitssystem

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            #71

            @hoppla Can you please send this directly to the responsable politicians? Thanks.

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            • vdm@tooting.chV vdm@tooting.ch

              @hoppla We complain about not having enough GPs, or about people overloading emergency rooms for peanuts. But suddenly it's perfectly OK to ask people who have a light flu and who know they just need 2-3 days rest, to consume medical ressources just to have that paper filled and stamped.

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              #72

              @vdm @hoppla this is why they want robot slaves ...

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              • hoppla@mas.toH hoppla@mas.to

                As a GP in Germany, I struggle with the claim that “people don’t want to work.” In daily practice, I see the opposite: many patients push themselves to keep working, even when they should rest. They worry about burdening colleagues, unfinished tasks, or upcoming deadlines.

                If we want to understand rising sick leave, we need to look at real factors: increasing workload, constant pressure, lack of recovery time, social isolation, and overall exhaustion. Reducing this to a question of “motivation” ignores both evidence and lived experience.

                In my experience, people who genuinely try to avoid work are a tiny minority. Framing the issue this way feels similar to old narratives about unemployment—oversimplified, misleading, and disconnected from reality.

                #MedMastodon #GeneralPractice #PrimaryCare #WorkStress #MentalHealth #SickLeave #HealthPolicy #Germany #Arbeitswelt #Burnout #PublicHealth #Reform #AU #Arbeitsunfähigkeit #Gesundheitsreform #gesundheitspolitik #gesundheitssystem

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                #73

                @hoppla Somewhere around here there’s a collection of newspaper clips. And it’s like 10 variations on “People just don’t want to work any more” editorials. And they’re dated from like 1901, 1930, 1948, etc. It just shows how that sentiment has been (incorrectly) humming in the background for a very long time.

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                • zygos@mastodon.socialZ zygos@mastodon.social

                  @vdm @hoppla this is why they want robot slaves ...

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                  #74

                  @Zygos @vdm @hoppla They want robot slaves because they have no empathy & can't be argued with

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                  • paco@infosec.exchangeP paco@infosec.exchange

                    @hoppla Somewhere around here there’s a collection of newspaper clips. And it’s like 10 variations on “People just don’t want to work any more” editorials. And they’re dated from like 1901, 1930, 1948, etc. It just shows how that sentiment has been (incorrectly) humming in the background for a very long time.

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                    #75

                    @paco oh wow! That's so cool. If you do happen where i could find them, that'll be tremendous helpful.

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                    • hoppla@mas.toH hoppla@mas.to

                      As a GP in Germany, I struggle with the claim that “people don’t want to work.” In daily practice, I see the opposite: many patients push themselves to keep working, even when they should rest. They worry about burdening colleagues, unfinished tasks, or upcoming deadlines.

                      If we want to understand rising sick leave, we need to look at real factors: increasing workload, constant pressure, lack of recovery time, social isolation, and overall exhaustion. Reducing this to a question of “motivation” ignores both evidence and lived experience.

                      In my experience, people who genuinely try to avoid work are a tiny minority. Framing the issue this way feels similar to old narratives about unemployment—oversimplified, misleading, and disconnected from reality.

                      #MedMastodon #GeneralPractice #PrimaryCare #WorkStress #MentalHealth #SickLeave #HealthPolicy #Germany #Arbeitswelt #Burnout #PublicHealth #Reform #AU #Arbeitsunfähigkeit #Gesundheitsreform #gesundheitspolitik #gesundheitssystem

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                      #76

                      @hoppla our bodies need movement.ñ and our brains exercise. Being work-free for more than a couple of days and most people tend to feel restless, stressed and would rather be working.

                      Unless is a schedule holiday where plenty of activities planned.

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                      • staringatclouds@mstdn.socialS staringatclouds@mstdn.social

                        @Zygos @vdm @hoppla They want robot slaves because they have no empathy & can't be argued with

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                        #77

                        @staringatclouds @vdm @hoppla

                        No benefits, no unions, no work regulations, no safety restrictions .....

                        Humans are so dirty and difficult to work with

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                        • hsza@social.tudbut.deH hsza@social.tudbut.de

                          @hoppla

                          In my experience, people who genuinely try to avoid work are a tiny minority.

                          and that is why work should be optional, so the majority of people who do want to actively contribute to society can do that with agency and without all the stress, and the rest can live whatever life they want for themselves

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                          #78

                          @hsza @hoppla
                          i try to avoid work.

                          all problems today are because of people working, in military, in advertising, in slaughterhouses, in fracking, in the police, ...

                          if it wasn't for all those employed people, we'd all be much better off.

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