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  • olivia@scholar.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
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    Open Letter: Stop the Uncritical Adoption of AI Technologies in Academia

    It's been a year & people tell me they've changed their mind, feel safer now to sign, etc. So I'm sharing it again for them. We're almost at 2k & anybody from anywhere can add their names.

    https://openletter.earth/open-letter-stop-the-uncritical-adoption-of-ai-technologies-in-academia-b65bba1e?limit=0

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    • olivia@scholar.socialO olivia@scholar.social

      Open Letter: Stop the Uncritical Adoption of AI Technologies in Academia

      It's been a year & people tell me they've changed their mind, feel safer now to sign, etc. So I'm sharing it again for them. We're almost at 2k & anybody from anywhere can add their names.

      https://openletter.earth/open-letter-stop-the-uncritical-adoption-of-ai-technologies-in-academia-b65bba1e?limit=0

      compeuter@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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      #2

      @olivia I've added myself.

      There was a slight problem with filling in my org name where my org is named after its url: sifaka.dev. It's an online tool after all. For now I've added spaces to make it an invalid url. Hope that's alright.

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      • olivia@scholar.socialO olivia@scholar.social

        Open Letter: Stop the Uncritical Adoption of AI Technologies in Academia

        It's been a year & people tell me they've changed their mind, feel safer now to sign, etc. So I'm sharing it again for them. We're almost at 2k & anybody from anywhere can add their names.

        https://openletter.earth/open-letter-stop-the-uncritical-adoption-of-ai-technologies-in-academia-b65bba1e?limit=0

        erikjonker@mastodon.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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        #3

        @olivia ...i have children that study at the university, how would you like to ban AI when most work is done at home? I fully understand/support banning AI for tests, exams, activities at the university. But AI is and will be used in a support role for most students i am afraid, whether we like it or not. Shouldn't we focus on how to use AI responsible and in a way that increases learning instead of all the "banning"?

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        • erikjonker@mastodon.socialE erikjonker@mastodon.social

          @olivia ...i have children that study at the university, how would you like to ban AI when most work is done at home? I fully understand/support banning AI for tests, exams, activities at the university. But AI is and will be used in a support role for most students i am afraid, whether we like it or not. Shouldn't we focus on how to use AI responsible and in a way that increases learning instead of all the "banning"?

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          #4

          @ErikJonker @olivia
          I understand Europe is on fire at the moment. Canada is on fire. The United States is on fire. In fact, there are a lot of countries on planet Earth currently on fire.
          ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
          https://www.greenpeace.org/international/story/82486/ai-energy-environment-democracy/

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          • erikjonker@mastodon.socialE erikjonker@mastodon.social

            @olivia ...i have children that study at the university, how would you like to ban AI when most work is done at home? I fully understand/support banning AI for tests, exams, activities at the university. But AI is and will be used in a support role for most students i am afraid, whether we like it or not. Shouldn't we focus on how to use AI responsible and in a way that increases learning instead of all the "banning"?

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            #5

            @ErikJonker @olivia I am a university professor, and I know I cannot prevent my students to use AI. But never ever do I want to push them toward it, and having official "good AI uses" classes would do just that.
            I tell my students that many uses are harmful to them, that almost all uses are harmful to the world, and that I do not want them to send me any AI-generated material. I do not see how I could take my job seriously and do it any other way.

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            • compeuter@mastodon.socialC compeuter@mastodon.social

              @olivia I've added myself.

              There was a slight problem with filling in my org name where my org is named after its url: sifaka.dev. It's an online tool after all. For now I've added spaces to make it an invalid url. Hope that's alright.

              olivia@scholar.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
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              #6

              @Compeuter no prob! thank you so much!

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              • brkloeckner@piaille.frB brkloeckner@piaille.fr

                @ErikJonker @olivia I am a university professor, and I know I cannot prevent my students to use AI. But never ever do I want to push them toward it, and having official "good AI uses" classes would do just that.
                I tell my students that many uses are harmful to them, that almost all uses are harmful to the world, and that I do not want them to send me any AI-generated material. I do not see how I could take my job seriously and do it any other way.

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                #7

                @BrKloeckner @ErikJonker I have a lot of resources on my website... perhaps you can start with https://olivia.science/cheating 1/2

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                • olivia@scholar.socialO olivia@scholar.social

                  @BrKloeckner @ErikJonker I have a lot of resources on my website... perhaps you can start with https://olivia.science/cheating 1/2

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                  #8

                  @BrKloeckner @ErikJonker if you are an academic, this one would be good for you: https://olivia.science/ai 2/2

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                  • olivia@scholar.socialO olivia@scholar.social

                    @BrKloeckner @ErikJonker if you are an academic, this one would be good for you: https://olivia.science/ai 2/2

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                    #9

                    @BrKloeckner @ErikJonker bonus, probably this stands out as extra useful too: https://scholar.social/@olivia/116239484584758335

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                    • erikjonker@mastodon.socialE erikjonker@mastodon.social

                      @olivia ...i have children that study at the university, how would you like to ban AI when most work is done at home? I fully understand/support banning AI for tests, exams, activities at the university. But AI is and will be used in a support role for most students i am afraid, whether we like it or not. Shouldn't we focus on how to use AI responsible and in a way that increases learning instead of all the "banning"?

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                      #10

                      @ErikJonker @olivia I feel like if the argument is just "we should support them in it because they're going to do it anyway" then that's equally true of *everything* students do despite being asked not to, so by that logic universities should have supportive policies about how best to use essay mills to increase learning, and the most responsible forms of plagiarism. What makes AI special?

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                      • olivia@scholar.socialO olivia@scholar.social

                        @BrKloeckner @ErikJonker bonus, probably this stands out as extra useful too: https://scholar.social/@olivia/116239484584758335

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                        #11

                        @olivia @ErikJonker Thanks! I might cowrite something for my national society, I have to read others to do this best.

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                        • brkloeckner@piaille.frB brkloeckner@piaille.fr

                          @olivia @ErikJonker Thanks! I might cowrite something for my national society, I have to read others to do this best.

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                          #12

                          @BrKloeckner @ErikJonker there is a French version of the open letter too! https://aeporreca.org/blog/lettre-ouverte-adoption-ia/

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                          • andrewt@mathstodon.xyzA andrewt@mathstodon.xyz

                            @ErikJonker @olivia I feel like if the argument is just "we should support them in it because they're going to do it anyway" then that's equally true of *everything* students do despite being asked not to, so by that logic universities should have supportive policies about how best to use essay mills to increase learning, and the most responsible forms of plagiarism. What makes AI special?

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                            #13

                            @andrewt @ErikJonker @olivia

                            That has literally been the only argument for letting COVID spread freely, too. I don't think that's a coincidence.

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                            • olivia@scholar.socialO olivia@scholar.social

                              @BrKloeckner @ErikJonker there is a French version of the open letter too! https://aeporreca.org/blog/lettre-ouverte-adoption-ia/

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                              #14

                              @olivia @ErikJonker The english version is fine already, what made me hesitate to sign is the specific address to dutch universities.

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                              • brkloeckner@piaille.frB brkloeckner@piaille.fr

                                @olivia @ErikJonker The english version is fine already, what made me hesitate to sign is the specific address to dutch universities.

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                                #15

                                @BrKloeckner @olivia the technology will not go away but we are in control where to use it or not, how etc. Personally I don't believe banning and not-promoting is the way to mitigate the large risks and problems associated with GenAI. So banning, discouraging in a general sense is not the best strategy in my view, but I understand many people disagree with me.

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                                • erikjonker@mastodon.socialE erikjonker@mastodon.social

                                  @BrKloeckner @olivia the technology will not go away but we are in control where to use it or not, how etc. Personally I don't believe banning and not-promoting is the way to mitigate the large risks and problems associated with GenAI. So banning, discouraging in a general sense is not the best strategy in my view, but I understand many people disagree with me.

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                                  #16

                                  @ErikJonker @olivia "we are in control" Are we? My articles are scrapped, some students send me AI slop to be corrected as their work, searching info on the web has been made very difficult.
                                  The main risks are ecological; loss of autonomy by the normalization of gen AI production levels; wealth and power given to a handfull of fashbros. I don't see how to mitigate those without discouraging use of gen AI.
                                  Our disagreement could be on what the main risks are, but I think the three above are pretty high, or that we xould mitigate them while encouraging using gen AI, but I don't see how.

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                                    @ErikJonker
                                    > "the large risks and problems associated with GenAI"

                                    Assuming you're not one of those who believe in the AI apocalypse, the real issues are:
                                    + AI is a financial bubble, concentrating money and power in the hands of a US-based tech oligarchy;
                                    + AI is a class weapon, aimed at degrading the conditions of the working class;
                                    + AI is an instrument of war, being used to advance US-and-friends' imperialism and supremacism worldwide;
                                    @BrKloeckner @olivia

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                                    • seiriosb@mastodon.socialS seiriosb@mastodon.social

                                      @ErikJonker
                                      > "the large risks and problems associated with GenAI"

                                      Assuming you're not one of those who believe in the AI apocalypse, the real issues are:
                                      + AI is a financial bubble, concentrating money and power in the hands of a US-based tech oligarchy;
                                      + AI is a class weapon, aimed at degrading the conditions of the working class;
                                      + AI is an instrument of war, being used to advance US-and-friends' imperialism and supremacism worldwide;
                                      @BrKloeckner @olivia

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                                      #18

                                      @ErikJonker
                                      + AI is a skill sink, making (young) people less skilled in critical thinking and language-related tasks; it's very different to have top mathematicians using AI as an aid for what they already know how to do, than to have young people never even learning how to do something because the tool always did it for them;
                                      + AI is a socio-environmental risk, with data centers and mineral extraction causing harm to communities in Global South countries and elsewhere.
                                      @BrKloeckner @olivia

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                                      • seiriosb@mastodon.socialS seiriosb@mastodon.social

                                        @ErikJonker
                                        + AI is a skill sink, making (young) people less skilled in critical thinking and language-related tasks; it's very different to have top mathematicians using AI as an aid for what they already know how to do, than to have young people never even learning how to do something because the tool always did it for them;
                                        + AI is a socio-environmental risk, with data centers and mineral extraction causing harm to communities in Global South countries and elsewhere.
                                        @BrKloeckner @olivia

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                                        #19

                                        @ErikJonker
                                        > "discouraging in a general sense is not the best strategy in my view"

                                        So I guess you also don't approve of discouraging smoking and drinking and cheating on exams and shooting heroin. All of these things "will not go away", "we're in control where to use it or not" and have "large risks and problems associated". But they are harmful to society, so we ban them, or we regulate them. China is big on AI regulation, the EU is somewhat trying, and the US don't care.
                                        @BrKloeckner @olivia

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                                        • seiriosb@mastodon.socialS seiriosb@mastodon.social

                                          @ErikJonker
                                          > "discouraging in a general sense is not the best strategy in my view"

                                          So I guess you also don't approve of discouraging smoking and drinking and cheating on exams and shooting heroin. All of these things "will not go away", "we're in control where to use it or not" and have "large risks and problems associated". But they are harmful to society, so we ban them, or we regulate them. China is big on AI regulation, the EU is somewhat trying, and the US don't care.
                                          @BrKloeckner @olivia

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                                          #20

                                          @ErikJonker
                                          The letter is against "uncritical adoption", meaning "think before you act". Think of the harms and benefits for your community. AI companies are obviously benefitting from AI adoption, so unless you're a paid shill, you've got to consider whether this is really in your best interest and that of those around you. The fact that companies already got students hooked up on their stuff is not something to be celebrated. It's sad, and terrible, and must be countered.
                                          @BrKloeckner @olivia

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