Regarding AI slop permeating everything...
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Regarding AI slop permeating everything...
It's incredibly important to know that right now there is a MASSIVE amount of money and effort by corporations, financial institutions, and governments to get people to use it.
(There are motivations behind pushing that use that go well beyond just making a buck. AI is a layer of abstraction over information control, it's a method of locking in compute control, etc etc)
But that use is still heavily subsidized - from cheap tokens and use subscriptions to local governments subsidizing power and water and taxes for their data centers.
That can't last.
And nor can its current heavy use.
I have no idea how it will look moving forward. So much of AI is propped up artificially on one hand that it will fall if left to its own devices. But on the other hand there is so much money and power behind it that it can last artificially for a long time.
Anyhow. Don't give up hope. Every act of resistance increases its cost and therefore its ability to withstand.
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Regarding AI slop permeating everything...
It's incredibly important to know that right now there is a MASSIVE amount of money and effort by corporations, financial institutions, and governments to get people to use it.
(There are motivations behind pushing that use that go well beyond just making a buck. AI is a layer of abstraction over information control, it's a method of locking in compute control, etc etc)
But that use is still heavily subsidized - from cheap tokens and use subscriptions to local governments subsidizing power and water and taxes for their data centers.
That can't last.
And nor can its current heavy use.
I have no idea how it will look moving forward. So much of AI is propped up artificially on one hand that it will fall if left to its own devices. But on the other hand there is so much money and power behind it that it can last artificially for a long time.
Anyhow. Don't give up hope. Every act of resistance increases its cost and therefore its ability to withstand.
@tinker It's important not to underestimate the psychological factors at play in the corporate AI push. Huge chunks of most organizations, and especially in leadership roles, are completely disconnected from actual work. Your boss probably only has a vague idea of what you actually do and their boss (boss^2) has no idea at all. Most of what they do all day is around managing i.e.: emails, meetings, talking etc. And AI **IS** a transformative technology to them precisely because it transforms something that they don't understand (coding, creating, etc.) into something that they do understand - managing an underling. That's at the root of this disconnect.
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Regarding AI slop permeating everything...
It's incredibly important to know that right now there is a MASSIVE amount of money and effort by corporations, financial institutions, and governments to get people to use it.
(There are motivations behind pushing that use that go well beyond just making a buck. AI is a layer of abstraction over information control, it's a method of locking in compute control, etc etc)
But that use is still heavily subsidized - from cheap tokens and use subscriptions to local governments subsidizing power and water and taxes for their data centers.
That can't last.
And nor can its current heavy use.
I have no idea how it will look moving forward. So much of AI is propped up artificially on one hand that it will fall if left to its own devices. But on the other hand there is so much money and power behind it that it can last artificially for a long time.
Anyhow. Don't give up hope. Every act of resistance increases its cost and therefore its ability to withstand.
@tinker It collapses when either the whole system does, or when Altman, Elmo, et al find a better grift.
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Regarding AI slop permeating everything...
It's incredibly important to know that right now there is a MASSIVE amount of money and effort by corporations, financial institutions, and governments to get people to use it.
(There are motivations behind pushing that use that go well beyond just making a buck. AI is a layer of abstraction over information control, it's a method of locking in compute control, etc etc)
But that use is still heavily subsidized - from cheap tokens and use subscriptions to local governments subsidizing power and water and taxes for their data centers.
That can't last.
And nor can its current heavy use.
I have no idea how it will look moving forward. So much of AI is propped up artificially on one hand that it will fall if left to its own devices. But on the other hand there is so much money and power behind it that it can last artificially for a long time.
Anyhow. Don't give up hope. Every act of resistance increases its cost and therefore its ability to withstand.
@tinker I don't see how it can last. The slop is so damn wordy people ain't gonna read it all.
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Regarding AI slop permeating everything...
It's incredibly important to know that right now there is a MASSIVE amount of money and effort by corporations, financial institutions, and governments to get people to use it.
(There are motivations behind pushing that use that go well beyond just making a buck. AI is a layer of abstraction over information control, it's a method of locking in compute control, etc etc)
But that use is still heavily subsidized - from cheap tokens and use subscriptions to local governments subsidizing power and water and taxes for their data centers.
That can't last.
And nor can its current heavy use.
I have no idea how it will look moving forward. So much of AI is propped up artificially on one hand that it will fall if left to its own devices. But on the other hand there is so much money and power behind it that it can last artificially for a long time.
Anyhow. Don't give up hope. Every act of resistance increases its cost and therefore its ability to withstand.
@tinker From a hardware perspective, it’s interesting to think about the dynamic between centralized and distributed architectures that has animated the history of IT (e.g. mainframe vs PC/workstation). The recent run-up in cost for the individual consumer caused by massive centralized hardware demand (“datacenters”) could be seen as an attempt to push really thin clients to the people, forcing reliance on centralized processing resources for all but the most basic functionality in the future.
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Regarding AI slop permeating everything...
It's incredibly important to know that right now there is a MASSIVE amount of money and effort by corporations, financial institutions, and governments to get people to use it.
(There are motivations behind pushing that use that go well beyond just making a buck. AI is a layer of abstraction over information control, it's a method of locking in compute control, etc etc)
But that use is still heavily subsidized - from cheap tokens and use subscriptions to local governments subsidizing power and water and taxes for their data centers.
That can't last.
And nor can its current heavy use.
I have no idea how it will look moving forward. So much of AI is propped up artificially on one hand that it will fall if left to its own devices. But on the other hand there is so much money and power behind it that it can last artificially for a long time.
Anyhow. Don't give up hope. Every act of resistance increases its cost and therefore its ability to withstand.
@tinker @briankrebs Let's keep making shit with our filthy human hands.
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@tinker It collapses when either the whole system does, or when Altman, Elmo, et al find a better grift.
One day the tokens will cost more than what businesses can pay, and they'll either die OR try to hire back their employees.
Businesses that stick with AI will one day discover their agents quit working because their dependent data centers went dark. Because the AI company crashed.
A LOT of shit will stop working. Entire web sites. Payment systems. Possibly firmware reliant on clouds that no longer exist. Those suffering from AI psychosis get weird when their AI friends 'die'.
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Regarding AI slop permeating everything...
It's incredibly important to know that right now there is a MASSIVE amount of money and effort by corporations, financial institutions, and governments to get people to use it.
(There are motivations behind pushing that use that go well beyond just making a buck. AI is a layer of abstraction over information control, it's a method of locking in compute control, etc etc)
But that use is still heavily subsidized - from cheap tokens and use subscriptions to local governments subsidizing power and water and taxes for their data centers.
That can't last.
And nor can its current heavy use.
I have no idea how it will look moving forward. So much of AI is propped up artificially on one hand that it will fall if left to its own devices. But on the other hand there is so much money and power behind it that it can last artificially for a long time.
Anyhow. Don't give up hope. Every act of resistance increases its cost and therefore its ability to withstand.
@tinker It’s wild how much money is being dumped into forcing proprietary black-box AI on us.
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@tinker It’s wild how much money is being dumped into forcing proprietary black-box AI on us.
@Marija_ - Indeed. "Follow the money" (and then listen to what those that fund it state out loud to their shareholders) and all that.
It is wild. And it's intentional.
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@tinker It's important not to underestimate the psychological factors at play in the corporate AI push. Huge chunks of most organizations, and especially in leadership roles, are completely disconnected from actual work. Your boss probably only has a vague idea of what you actually do and their boss (boss^2) has no idea at all. Most of what they do all day is around managing i.e.: emails, meetings, talking etc. And AI **IS** a transformative technology to them precisely because it transforms something that they don't understand (coding, creating, etc.) into something that they do understand - managing an underling. That's at the root of this disconnect.
@birdwainer @tinker
Exactly why I think that "money people" should not be in charge of anything. They live in a different world disconnected from reality, which is why the real world is going to shit. -
@tinker It’s wild how much money is being dumped into forcing proprietary black-box AI on us.
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Regarding AI slop permeating everything...
It's incredibly important to know that right now there is a MASSIVE amount of money and effort by corporations, financial institutions, and governments to get people to use it.
(There are motivations behind pushing that use that go well beyond just making a buck. AI is a layer of abstraction over information control, it's a method of locking in compute control, etc etc)
But that use is still heavily subsidized - from cheap tokens and use subscriptions to local governments subsidizing power and water and taxes for their data centers.
That can't last.
And nor can its current heavy use.
I have no idea how it will look moving forward. So much of AI is propped up artificially on one hand that it will fall if left to its own devices. But on the other hand there is so much money and power behind it that it can last artificially for a long time.
Anyhow. Don't give up hope. Every act of resistance increases its cost and therefore its ability to withstand.
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@tinker From a hardware perspective, it’s interesting to think about the dynamic between centralized and distributed architectures that has animated the history of IT (e.g. mainframe vs PC/workstation). The recent run-up in cost for the individual consumer caused by massive centralized hardware demand (“datacenters”) could be seen as an attempt to push really thin clients to the people, forcing reliance on centralized processing resources for all but the most basic functionality in the future.
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@tinker From a hardware perspective, it’s interesting to think about the dynamic between centralized and distributed architectures that has animated the history of IT (e.g. mainframe vs PC/workstation). The recent run-up in cost for the individual consumer caused by massive centralized hardware demand (“datacenters”) could be seen as an attempt to push really thin clients to the people, forcing reliance on centralized processing resources for all but the most basic functionality in the future.
It's recursion. Dummy terminals for all, control in closed systems managed by the new conglom.
If you don't recognize a registered blue in that, check your tech history. This is effectively emergence of quantum computing, but only after shutting consumer access out.
They intend an AI agentic mesh that assures the boundaries are cut deep across humanity.
Neo-feudalism with electronic leash and at will command/control.
The woodchipper 3.0 courtesy of your new overlords. 🪔🩵
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Regarding AI slop permeating everything...
It's incredibly important to know that right now there is a MASSIVE amount of money and effort by corporations, financial institutions, and governments to get people to use it.
(There are motivations behind pushing that use that go well beyond just making a buck. AI is a layer of abstraction over information control, it's a method of locking in compute control, etc etc)
But that use is still heavily subsidized - from cheap tokens and use subscriptions to local governments subsidizing power and water and taxes for their data centers.
That can't last.
And nor can its current heavy use.
I have no idea how it will look moving forward. So much of AI is propped up artificially on one hand that it will fall if left to its own devices. But on the other hand there is so much money and power behind it that it can last artificially for a long time.
Anyhow. Don't give up hope. Every act of resistance increases its cost and therefore its ability to withstand.
@tinker use the free tiers burn up shareholder money
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@tinker It's important not to underestimate the psychological factors at play in the corporate AI push. Huge chunks of most organizations, and especially in leadership roles, are completely disconnected from actual work. Your boss probably only has a vague idea of what you actually do and their boss (boss^2) has no idea at all. Most of what they do all day is around managing i.e.: emails, meetings, talking etc. And AI **IS** a transformative technology to them precisely because it transforms something that they don't understand (coding, creating, etc.) into something that they do understand - managing an underling. That's at the root of this disconnect.
If they only understand managing an underling, why don't they hire a human to do the coding and creating for them?
Once again, it's all about slavery. They're just slavers. If AI doesn't slave for them, it doesn't appeal to them. -
Regarding AI slop permeating everything...
It's incredibly important to know that right now there is a MASSIVE amount of money and effort by corporations, financial institutions, and governments to get people to use it.
(There are motivations behind pushing that use that go well beyond just making a buck. AI is a layer of abstraction over information control, it's a method of locking in compute control, etc etc)
But that use is still heavily subsidized - from cheap tokens and use subscriptions to local governments subsidizing power and water and taxes for their data centers.
That can't last.
And nor can its current heavy use.
I have no idea how it will look moving forward. So much of AI is propped up artificially on one hand that it will fall if left to its own devices. But on the other hand there is so much money and power behind it that it can last artificially for a long time.
Anyhow. Don't give up hope. Every act of resistance increases its cost and therefore its ability to withstand.
@tinker Business model is to hook for free or cheap and then ramp up charges when captured.
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Regarding AI slop permeating everything...
It's incredibly important to know that right now there is a MASSIVE amount of money and effort by corporations, financial institutions, and governments to get people to use it.
(There are motivations behind pushing that use that go well beyond just making a buck. AI is a layer of abstraction over information control, it's a method of locking in compute control, etc etc)
But that use is still heavily subsidized - from cheap tokens and use subscriptions to local governments subsidizing power and water and taxes for their data centers.
That can't last.
And nor can its current heavy use.
I have no idea how it will look moving forward. So much of AI is propped up artificially on one hand that it will fall if left to its own devices. But on the other hand there is so much money and power behind it that it can last artificially for a long time.
Anyhow. Don't give up hope. Every act of resistance increases its cost and therefore its ability to withstand.
@tinker There is a particular type of guy who rushes to get in on the bubble *as it's already bursting*, as if he's either completely oblivious to the burst or thinking himself big enough to save it.
We should pay attention to that, because this tells us important things we need to know about these people.
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Regarding AI slop permeating everything...
It's incredibly important to know that right now there is a MASSIVE amount of money and effort by corporations, financial institutions, and governments to get people to use it.
(There are motivations behind pushing that use that go well beyond just making a buck. AI is a layer of abstraction over information control, it's a method of locking in compute control, etc etc)
But that use is still heavily subsidized - from cheap tokens and use subscriptions to local governments subsidizing power and water and taxes for their data centers.
That can't last.
And nor can its current heavy use.
I have no idea how it will look moving forward. So much of AI is propped up artificially on one hand that it will fall if left to its own devices. But on the other hand there is so much money and power behind it that it can last artificially for a long time.
Anyhow. Don't give up hope. Every act of resistance increases its cost and therefore its ability to withstand.
@tinker I use Ai but it’s a local model
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@tinker It's important not to underestimate the psychological factors at play in the corporate AI push. Huge chunks of most organizations, and especially in leadership roles, are completely disconnected from actual work. Your boss probably only has a vague idea of what you actually do and their boss (boss^2) has no idea at all. Most of what they do all day is around managing i.e.: emails, meetings, talking etc. And AI **IS** a transformative technology to them precisely because it transforms something that they don't understand (coding, creating, etc.) into something that they do understand - managing an underling. That's at the root of this disconnect.
This is precisely why I'm not against LLMs.
LLMs are a proxy fight against end-stage capitalism and a coming to a technofeudalist society.
Being able to combine the worlds' knowledge into a massive array that can probabilistically answer known things is amazing indeed... Even if you know how it works. This is Leibniz' dream, of calculus of words.
Most of us lament the Library Of Alexandria's burning. An Open data LLM is like the largest free talking library, that uses calculus to provide predictive text.
But its not about advancement of humans. Corporate LLM token dealers are being used AS weapons against humans. Why? Cause LLMs have the appearance in solving wages - that part of capitalism that the owners are always looking to cheat.
And also, Marx was right, as was Ned Ludd. Its all about controlling the means of production. And in Ludd's time, he wasn't able to gain control, so he chose the second path- destruction. Soon after, that was a death penalty offense.
Are LLMs the final answer? Obviously not. They can't train themselves. They use waaaay too much energy in training and inference. The algorithms work, but are really terrible. (Studying chess algos is the similar path I see with LLMs)
But as a tool, they are useful, especially in fuzzy searches. But capitalists will capital, and try to destroy labor wherever they can.
Don't let tool hate misdirect the real actors are. It always has been capital. Always has.
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