CORRECTION: My 81-year-old mom, who's a widow and has no photo ID was rejected today when we tried to get her a photo ID card.
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@jamesh @samk @JEmphatically I agree. My point was only that Canadian politics/elections are not American-like, simply because the lack of mandatory voting allows things like this. Most countries don’t have mandatory voting. It would be vastly more accurate, in this case, to say that both Canada and the US have English-like systems, seeing as that is the root system for all countries involved, and only Australia has deviated in this particular way.
Do any, other than Australia, actually, mandate voting?
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@jamesh @samk @JEmphatically well, that’ll show me for not just searching Wikipedia first!
I do, however, find it notable that Australia is apparently unique among these 21 countries in exempting people without a fixed address. So it’s not that it’s impossible to prevent people from voting, it’s just that you have to force them into homelessness, first, at which point very few people are going to complain much about discriminating against them, especially given the current housing situation in Australia.
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CORRECTION: My 81-year-old mom, who's a widow and has no photo ID was rejected today when we tried to get her a photo ID card. She's been living in Alberta since 1978 and has no current passport.
She had her birth certificate but because she changed her last name when she married in 1964, they could not issue her an ID card without her marriage certificate.
We did not know where she stashed her marriage certificate since she moved into a senior's home 3 years ago.
These new rules are going to confuse a lot of people. She needs photo ID to access her online healthcare info. If you are contacting another province for birth or marriage certificates, that will take time.
*Voting in the upcoming referendum does not require a govt-issued ID. There are other options. Phew!
Luckily for my mom, after searching through an old trunk, we found the original marriage certificate.
This UCP government is pure evil. *I stand by this statement.
@JEmphatically and now they are trying to do that here with pretty much everything
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CORRECTION: My 81-year-old mom, who's a widow and has no photo ID was rejected today when we tried to get her a photo ID card. She's been living in Alberta since 1978 and has no current passport.
She had her birth certificate but because she changed her last name when she married in 1964, they could not issue her an ID card without her marriage certificate.
We did not know where she stashed her marriage certificate since she moved into a senior's home 3 years ago.
These new rules are going to confuse a lot of people. She needs photo ID to access her online healthcare info. If you are contacting another province for birth or marriage certificates, that will take time.
*Voting in the upcoming referendum does not require a govt-issued ID. There are other options. Phew!
Luckily for my mom, after searching through an old trunk, we found the original marriage certificate.
This UCP government is pure evil. *I stand by this statement.
@JEmphatically My God! I didn't know they'd already implimented those changed there.
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@JEmphatically so they’re playing the #MAGA #GOP playbook?
@blogdiva @JEmphatically Yep!
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@samk @jamesh @JEmphatically I’m not going to lie, I’ve been tempted to commit voter fraud for the sausage.
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@jamesh @samk @JEmphatically that’s good to know! Generally, it seems like Australia does it right!
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UPDATE: It appears Danielle Smith has not yet implemented her own version of the SAVE Act in Alberta.
Even Trump hasn't been able to get that legislation passed in the US.
Elections Alberta's website confirms that government ID is NOT required to vote. You need two pieces of ID, only one has to have your current address and a photo ID is not required.
So the Alberta law on government-issued ID disproportionately impacts women's rights by failing to recognize that women have been changing their names when they get married and will now need proof of marriage before they can get an ID or renew their drivers' licence, but voting rights remain intact. You need a photo ID to access your online healthcare info also.
And they don't mention anything about THAT in the fluffy advertising campaign they've launched about the new rules.
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@JEmphatically They know very well they stripped women's rights, and framing it as those fascists failing to realize it only gives them cover.
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CORRECTION: My 81-year-old mom, who's a widow and has no photo ID was rejected today when we tried to get her a photo ID card. She's been living in Alberta since 1978 and has no current passport.
She had her birth certificate but because she changed her last name when she married in 1964, they could not issue her an ID card without her marriage certificate.
We did not know where she stashed her marriage certificate since she moved into a senior's home 3 years ago.
These new rules are going to confuse a lot of people. She needs photo ID to access her online healthcare info. If you are contacting another province for birth or marriage certificates, that will take time.
*Voting in the upcoming referendum does not require a govt-issued ID. There are other options. Phew!
Luckily for my mom, after searching through an old trunk, we found the original marriage certificate.
This UCP government is pure evil. *I stand by this statement.
@JEmphatically The same thing happened to me in the US when I tried to get my Real ID. They wanted my marriage certificate. It made no sense to me when a real ID is nothing but a drivers license which I have been carrying in the state for 30 years and in another state for 23 years. I can order the marriage license from the courthouse for a fee. I have Military ID so I decided it wasn’t worth the fee to fly domestically. Good luck. Maybe there’s another government agency that can help?
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CORRECTION: My 81-year-old mom, who's a widow and has no photo ID was rejected today when we tried to get her a photo ID card. She's been living in Alberta since 1978 and has no current passport.
She had her birth certificate but because she changed her last name when she married in 1964, they could not issue her an ID card without her marriage certificate.
We did not know where she stashed her marriage certificate since she moved into a senior's home 3 years ago.
These new rules are going to confuse a lot of people. She needs photo ID to access her online healthcare info. If you are contacting another province for birth or marriage certificates, that will take time.
*Voting in the upcoming referendum does not require a govt-issued ID. There are other options. Phew!
Luckily for my mom, after searching through an old trunk, we found the original marriage certificate.
This UCP government is pure evil. *I stand by this statement.
@JEmphatically Identification systems as a whole are messy because a few people abusing it have given those in power the excuse to implement versions that punish very specific people, women being the main people punished. That's why the tradition was to take the man's name instead of the reverse, to trap women.
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CORRECTION: My 81-year-old mom, who's a widow and has no photo ID was rejected today when we tried to get her a photo ID card. She's been living in Alberta since 1978 and has no current passport.
She had her birth certificate but because she changed her last name when she married in 1964, they could not issue her an ID card without her marriage certificate.
We did not know where she stashed her marriage certificate since she moved into a senior's home 3 years ago.
These new rules are going to confuse a lot of people. She needs photo ID to access her online healthcare info. If you are contacting another province for birth or marriage certificates, that will take time.
*Voting in the upcoming referendum does not require a govt-issued ID. There are other options. Phew!
Luckily for my mom, after searching through an old trunk, we found the original marriage certificate.
This UCP government is pure evil. *I stand by this statement.
@JEmphatically About 20 odd years ago all my ID docs, book etc were stolen. I never liked this been a number so CHOOSE to live with out it. A sim card was my biggest problem, only later would the Nigerias arrive and bring them and phones in, under the table. Bank account, opened one, with no hard copy of ID. Don't ask how, ha ha. Then 3 years ago needed one, to go see the Penguins on the famous Boulders beach. South Africans get a better price, I cannot afford the $ price for tourists.
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I mean, in the US, they're hoping to strip us of all rights to make choices like that. Probably the same there because patriarchy is at the root of it.
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@TrueNorthSpice Oh, and I hear you about not changing your name. I never did and don't regret it, but for those women who choose to do so, it shouldn't put their democratic rights at risk.
@JEmphatically @TrueNorthSpice What if you changed your name just because? Without a marriage. Do you know what they do then?
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@samk @JEmphatically Alberta is in Canada…
@josh0
Except Alberta govt would lice to be in the US. I figure the accusation of American style aspirations holds (even if accidental).
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CORRECTION: My 81-year-old mom, who's a widow and has no photo ID was rejected today when we tried to get her a photo ID card. She's been living in Alberta since 1978 and has no current passport.
She had her birth certificate but because she changed her last name when she married in 1964, they could not issue her an ID card without her marriage certificate.
We did not know where she stashed her marriage certificate since she moved into a senior's home 3 years ago.
These new rules are going to confuse a lot of people. She needs photo ID to access her online healthcare info. If you are contacting another province for birth or marriage certificates, that will take time.
*Voting in the upcoming referendum does not require a govt-issued ID. There are other options. Phew!
Luckily for my mom, after searching through an old trunk, we found the original marriage certificate.
This UCP government is pure evil. *I stand by this statement.
Sadly this bullshit is exactly the point. These assholes hate anyone who isn't a cisgender white man and they will do anything they can to stifle voices.
Cannot overemphasise how important it is that you're helping your Mum vote. Keep it up
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ID requirements target women, immigrants, & the poor deliberately.
Alberta's oligarchs fight climate action by kneecapping voting.
People like tax evader N. Murray Edwards who profit from oil wars in Iran & high gas prices
https://dailyhive.com/calgary/murray-edwards-forbes-billonaires-flameshttps://environmentaldefence.ca/2024/10/31/murray-edwards-the-fossil-fuel-fanatic/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N._Murray_Edwards
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/murray-edwards-cnrl-alberta-taxes-1.3568199
https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2025/07/04/My-Strange-Canada-Day-Alberta-Separatists/
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@Npars01 @JEmphatically Of course they target women and minorities. Creeps like that always do.
While my country the Netherlands is not perfect they actually can never get in this situation. Your id, drivers license, etc are all linked to a unique government number that gets assigned at birth.
Even if you change your legal name (marriage does not change it), that number will stay the same.And every adult will get a (person bound) voting card sent home for elections.
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CORRECTION: My 81-year-old mom, who's a widow and has no photo ID was rejected today when we tried to get her a photo ID card. She's been living in Alberta since 1978 and has no current passport.
She had her birth certificate but because she changed her last name when she married in 1964, they could not issue her an ID card without her marriage certificate.
We did not know where she stashed her marriage certificate since she moved into a senior's home 3 years ago.
These new rules are going to confuse a lot of people. She needs photo ID to access her online healthcare info. If you are contacting another province for birth or marriage certificates, that will take time.
*Voting in the upcoming referendum does not require a govt-issued ID. There are other options. Phew!
Luckily for my mom, after searching through an old trunk, we found the original marriage certificate.
This UCP government is pure evil. *I stand by this statement.
@JEmphatically this really sucks but as a naïve New Zealander are there not government records of these documents?!
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CORRECTION: My 81-year-old mom, who's a widow and has no photo ID was rejected today when we tried to get her a photo ID card. She's been living in Alberta since 1978 and has no current passport.
She had her birth certificate but because she changed her last name when she married in 1964, they could not issue her an ID card without her marriage certificate.
We did not know where she stashed her marriage certificate since she moved into a senior's home 3 years ago.
These new rules are going to confuse a lot of people. She needs photo ID to access her online healthcare info. If you are contacting another province for birth or marriage certificates, that will take time.
*Voting in the upcoming referendum does not require a govt-issued ID. There are other options. Phew!
Luckily for my mom, after searching through an old trunk, we found the original marriage certificate.
This UCP government is pure evil. *I stand by this statement.
@JEmphatically Conservatives. The scrum of the Earth.
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@JEmphatically this really sucks but as a naïve New Zealander are there not government records of these documents?!
@bevan When you live in a place that keeps tracks of these kinda records, it is hard to image it being done any other way. When my love moved from the US to be with me in Norway, it became a bit of a lesson in "a different way of doing stuff".
Her surname-change when she married me, is recorded... In Norway.... There is apparently no recording of this in the US. We asked the embassy. They told us "just include the Norwegian name change papers when applying for a new passport..."
The idea that "the evil state should keep records of you!" is such a terrifying one, they appear to rather want to deal with all the more terrifying consequences of not having it.
Our marriage license, her name change, all such is recorded here, and will be of vital importance should she ever need to prove anything to the US authorities for a new ID.
Every 4 years, she gets a "voters card" in mail. No registration. Despite not being a citizen, she can vote in local elections.
Without any extra registration.
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CORRECTION: My 81-year-old mom, who's a widow and has no photo ID was rejected today when we tried to get her a photo ID card. She's been living in Alberta since 1978 and has no current passport.
She had her birth certificate but because she changed her last name when she married in 1964, they could not issue her an ID card without her marriage certificate.
We did not know where she stashed her marriage certificate since she moved into a senior's home 3 years ago.
These new rules are going to confuse a lot of people. She needs photo ID to access her online healthcare info. If you are contacting another province for birth or marriage certificates, that will take time.
*Voting in the upcoming referendum does not require a govt-issued ID. There are other options. Phew!
Luckily for my mom, after searching through an old trunk, we found the original marriage certificate.
This UCP government is pure evil. *I stand by this statement.
@JEmphatically
Only having one name may be obsolete.
