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  • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

    It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

    - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
    - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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    #12

    @cwebber I fear we're too focused on AIs and not on all these nasty AI companies who's criminality doesn't end there

    but Trump doesn't want to even regulate the AIs, so we're in a lot of trouble

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    • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

      It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

      - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
      - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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      #13

      @cwebber I suspect also that they would like to reign in their outrageous R&D costs.

      They know their customers are not loyal and are sensitive to both price and perceived quality.

      Establishing an anticompetitive cabal fixes that problem.

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      • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

        It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

        - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
        - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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        kramaker@social.vivaldi.net
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        #14

        @cwebber Bullseye, especially point number 2.
        Corporation == self-serving, full-stop.

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        • allie@kind.socialA allie@kind.social

          @cwebber ("drug dealer" in the hypothetical sense depicted in fiction -- most actual drug dealers I've known have not been like this.)

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          #15

          @allie @cwebber my shrooms hookup would literally give them away if they didn't need to pay rent

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          • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

            It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

            - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
            - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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            #16

            @cwebber I have no evidence that refutes--or even casts doubt upon--either hypothesis.

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            • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

              It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

              - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
              - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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              #17

              @cwebber question: open weight LLMs tend to come from China. Would the US regulations reach that far? (pardon my ignorance, in Europe i can use either :P)

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              • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

                - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
                - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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                #18

                @cwebber indeed suppress the valuations then make a killing on the ipo

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                  #19

                  @tk @cwebber exactly!

                  Meanwhile all the actual #3Dprinting enthusiasts run #OpenSourve #Frmware on the #OpenSourceHardware #3Dprinters!

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                  • johnnyvibrant@mastodonapp.ukJ johnnyvibrant@mastodonapp.uk

                    @cwebber How do we "slow" down development of LLM's if they are grown rather than programmed by a team of humans? Would that even be possible?

                    I think its also important that Deepseek released v4.1 flash just before the weekend with tech (most of the model is on normal ram or even ssd and 8gb in vram) and at price points that no US company can even hope to match currently. I would be shocked if the teams at Kimi and Z.ai haven't been breeding from that model greedily over the last few days.

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                    #20

                    @johnnyvibrant @cwebber

                    Dude, nobody is growing anything in the world of AI except their egos and bank accounts.

                    It's not doing anything it wasn't programmed to do, and it won't. Ever.

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                    • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                      It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

                      - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
                      - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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                      #21

                      @cwebber gt

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                      • allie@kind.socialA allie@kind.social

                        @cwebber ("drug dealer" in the hypothetical sense depicted in fiction -- most actual drug dealers I've known have not been like this.)

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                        #22

                        @allie @cwebber
                        First one's free, after that you belong to me.

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                        • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                          It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

                          - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
                          - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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                          #23

                          @cwebber I'm anxious about what happens to the rest of the cloud when the "AI Data Center" bottom falls out.

                          Unless they've very carefully segmented and air-gapped the LLM portion of the compute, there's going to be giant chunks of the cloud going dark.

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                          • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                            It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

                            - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
                            - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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                            #24

                            @cwebber
                            Don't worry, everything will be alright.

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                            • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                              It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

                              - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
                              - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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                              #25

                              @cwebber "It'll be the boxing match of the century! We had the legally register the fighter's hands as deadly weapons!"

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                              • ikari@8bit.redI ikari@8bit.red

                                @cwebber question: open weight LLMs tend to come from China. Would the US regulations reach that far? (pardon my ignorance, in Europe i can use either :P)

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                                #26

                                @ikari @cwebber presumably they would try to find a bar that is harder for the open weight models to demonstrate they pass than the US giants, and use that as way to limit or slow their distribution (eg on app stores).

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                                • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                  It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

                                  - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
                                  - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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                                  napili@hachyderm.io
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                                  #27

                                  @cwebber and it resembles self-regulation, instead of government imposed regulation.

                                  Kinda like how Boeing performs its own safety inspections and oversight instead of the government sending in inspectors.

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                                  • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                                    @cwebber It's interesting because on the IPO thing it's a win-win. A company that wants to IPO sounds powerful and important. A company that *doesn't* want to IPO, such as OpenAI whose IPO would probably underperform expectations if it happened tomorrow, can point to the "alignment" "safety" concerns as an excuse to put the IPO off ( https://bsky.app/profile/dryad.technology/post/3mve53u5jb22i )

                                    This demonstrates how much more powerful lies are than truth. Presumably a truth wouldn't usually prove *both* a thing and its opposite

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                                    #28

                                    @mcc @cwebber spreading FUD is always a win when you're running a predatory business model 😕

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                                    • edsanders2@mstdn.socialE edsanders2@mstdn.social

                                      @johnnyvibrant @cwebber

                                      Dude, nobody is growing anything in the world of AI except their egos and bank accounts.

                                      It's not doing anything it wasn't programmed to do, and it won't. Ever.

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                                      #29

                                      @edsanders2 @cwebber Agreed LLMs wont do anything not told to do, but they are kind of grown.

                                      This is not the greatest article but as I understand it they are made like: https://blog.ciaops.com/2026/04/12/llms-are-grown-not-coded-and-that-changes-everything/

                                      This book goes into more details about how weird LLMs really are and then falls into doom but the authors are respected AI specialists and they say pretty much the same thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_Anyone_Builds_It,_Everyone_Dies

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                                      • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                        It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

                                        - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
                                        - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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                                        #30

                                        @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics I still don't get how it's marketing. Personally, I would *not* want to invest in the "kill everyone" company... Aside from the "killing everyone", I wouldn't even be able to collect on my returns! 🤣

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                                        • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                          It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

                                          - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
                                          - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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                                          #31

                                          @cwebber

                                          How many idiot CEOs wondering right now "if it can destroy the world, surely it can replace entire departments".

                                          [No it can't because breaking stuff is easy]

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