> I am a 15-year-old girl.
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> I am a 15-year-old girl. Let me show you the vile misogyny that confronts me on social media every day
The examples included here are horrible. Not just the sex-shaming, but that too.
I'm far from convinced that a social media ban is the answer, but the comment is still well worth reading - especially by men.
I'm not sure why especially by men. Some people out there are shitty, some just lashing out because they're lonely, or got dumped. Or cheated on. Lecturing people on language use feels wrong, when you're taking the literal meaning of their words, and not examining the motivations behind their writers. You want misogyny, look for the well suited gentleman with a wife and three kids, talking calmly about family values, traditional families, and protecting the children. You know she's hiding a black eye, the way some of those slimeballs talk.A social media ban for under-16s might prevent young boys seeing endless content that treats women with contempt and hate.
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I am increasingly convinced social media ban IS the answer. Not a ban for under-16, but a total ban. Commercial social media just quite simply has to be burned to the ground, no one even tries to run it safely any more.
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I think we agree in substance - all the measures may be draconian, but some more than others.
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So women can't fix it? Not even with a shotgun? Just stand sadly by, while the white knights sweep in and save her?
I can't stop people from bitching that women are total hoes, nor would I. I'd stop people from feeling like that, by getting them into genuinely sweet relationships, if I could. Or at least getting their anger directed at oppressive rich fucks, and not sex workers. I don't have even that luxury though. So whatever. -
@badambassador @neil I think I agree with that. Or at least, not in the way Australia has done it and it looks like the UK will do it.
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@jima @neil
Which communities? The "friends" are not friends most of the time, they are digital relations, they ignore you as soon as the conversation is finished.
If you want to be part of communitie, join a group in real life, with people taking care of each other, where real interaction with body language is much more rich than a digital one. -
> I am a 15-year-old girl. Let me show you the vile misogyny that confronts me on social media every day
The examples included here are horrible. Not just the sex-shaming, but that too.
I'm far from convinced that a social media ban is the answer, but the comment is still well worth reading - especially by men.
@neil I have an easy fix no one wants to talk about:
Punish people who don’t treat women as humans
No buts. Just punish them.
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@darwinwoodka @osma @neil that still means you need to identify everyone, though. A ban won’t work if they can just pick a different username and continue on.
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> I am a 15-year-old girl. Let me show you the vile misogyny that confronts me on social media every day
The examples included here are horrible. Not just the sex-shaming, but that too.
I'm far from convinced that a social media ban is the answer, but the comment is still well worth reading - especially by men.
@neil Dreadful. I see this sort of thing professionally. I just can't understand how people treat each other like this. Then I see the examples set by trump et al . And grab them by the pussy. And people vote for him knowing that. We are, as a society, doomed. Lowest common denominator.
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@darwinwoodka @osma @neil that still means you need to identify everyone, though. A ban won’t work if they can just pick a different username and continue on.
@passwordsarehard4 @darwinwoodka @osma @neil when I ever modded anything and this popped up, that person would be on my radar & their life would be made more miserable one way or another. Ban, modify their text, delete aspects of their profile, go nuts.
Letting it skate bc oh well they'll just make a new account is just shit moderation. And Zucks promoting this behavior, not at a loss to prevent it, his sites have tools galore to stop it if they wanted.
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> Men won’t fix this because it’s not broken for men
Some men might make no effort.
Some men may intentionally fight to keep the status quo.
Neither is really the audience of my toot (even if they might also benefit from it).
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> I am a 15-year-old girl. Let me show you the vile misogyny that confronts me on social media every day
The examples included here are horrible. Not just the sex-shaming, but that too.
I'm far from convinced that a social media ban is the answer, but the comment is still well worth reading - especially by men.
@neil The longer men fail to correct their problem, the bigger the problem gets.
I’m so glad my sisters didn’t have social media to deal with, the face to face misogyny & sexism was bad enough. My grandnieces will have to grow up even tougher. I hope they kick some asses. -
> I am a 15-year-old girl. Let me show you the vile misogyny that confronts me on social media every day
The examples included here are horrible. Not just the sex-shaming, but that too.
I'm far from convinced that a social media ban is the answer, but the comment is still well worth reading - especially by men.
@neil
Important article. I highly recommend the "Men who hate women" book by Laura Bates.
It shows how the hate towards women is not accidental, but the result of an highly organized political project that uses it to gain power. No ban on social media would accomplish anything unless that machine is stopped.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_Who_Hate_Women_(Bates_book)
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@osma @neil The difficulty one runs into is how you define social media. It seems obvious, but it really isn't once you dig into it. What actually counts as social media? Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, etc are all pretty obvious. Reddit, I guess. YouTube, presumably. Snapchat? WhatsApp? Yeah, maybe. Signal? Online forums? Usenet? Email lists? Anything where users can interact with other users? It gets tricky quite quickly.
Well, that's what my father did when raising me, and look how I turned out!
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> I am a 15-year-old girl. Let me show you the vile misogyny that confronts me on social media every day
The examples included here are horrible. Not just the sex-shaming, but that too.
I'm far from convinced that a social media ban is the answer, but the comment is still well worth reading - especially by men.
@neil I wish I could say this article didn't read as I expected, that I was surprised by what it reports.
I remember some boys at school could talk like that. Everyone avoided them. Lads will be lads, we said. This was the nineties.
Decades on, that attitude has not only survived, it's been legitimised on an industrial scale, by algorithms, influencers and people in power.
Preparing my kids for this world, giving them the skills and fortitude needed to traverse it, is a helluva challenge.
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@osma @neil The difficulty one runs into is how you define social media. It seems obvious, but it really isn't once you dig into it. What actually counts as social media? Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, etc are all pretty obvious. Reddit, I guess. YouTube, presumably. Snapchat? WhatsApp? Yeah, maybe. Signal? Online forums? Usenet? Email lists? Anything where users can interact with other users? It gets tricky quite quickly.
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Nope. Social networks did that. Social media subverted it to sell advertising.
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Nope. Social networks did that. Social media subverted it to sell advertising.
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