What right will we have to criticize Putin if he kills Ukrainian president Zelenskyy?
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What right will we have to criticize Putin if he kills Ukrainian president Zelenskyy?
From a legal standpoint, the US has illegally killed the leader of Iran in an illegal war which our leaders are not even criticizing. They are just accepting that the US takes out a leader they do not like, thereby destabilizing a nation of 93 million people.
International law does not allow this, but if we do not uphold international law, what boundaries do we have left to limit dictators like Putin?
@randahl Zelensky should attempt to kill Putin and I expect Putin is doing his level best to kill Zelensky.
I don't think that part of international law is ethical or moral. I say it's wrong.
They're in a declared war. They both send others to die. They are both ultimately soldiers and targets.
Sending others to die puts your own head on the block. Live by, die by. A good general accepts their role and consequences.
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What right will we have to criticize Putin if he kills Ukrainian president Zelenskyy?
From a legal standpoint, the US has illegally killed the leader of Iran in an illegal war which our leaders are not even criticizing. They are just accepting that the US takes out a leader they do not like, thereby destabilizing a nation of 93 million people.
International law does not allow this, but if we do not uphold international law, what boundaries do we have left to limit dictators like Putin?
@randahl Well, I would cheer if Zelinsky managed to kill Putin. I'd cheer even more if he was killed by a furious mob of Russians fed up with war and conscription, but the point is that Putin arrives in Hell. How he gets there is secondary,
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@tuban_muzuru @Lats @randahl Looking forward to that, thinking pikes in Red Square
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What right will we have to criticize Putin if he kills Ukrainian president Zelenskyy?
From a legal standpoint, the US has illegally killed the leader of Iran in an illegal war which our leaders are not even criticizing. They are just accepting that the US takes out a leader they do not like, thereby destabilizing a nation of 93 million people.
International law does not allow this, but if we do not uphold international law, what boundaries do we have left to limit dictators like Putin?
Putin has tried several times to have Zelensky assassinated. So his complaints about the assassination of Khamenei are hypocrisy.
Furthermore, Khamenei was an illegitimate ruler, responsible for the deaths of thousands of people in recent protests. Please don't pretend he was a normal, legitimate leader. His death is fully deserved, and the Iranian people deserve freedom.
The problem with Trump's attack is that he doesn't care about those people and has no plan for regime change. His attack will hurt a lot of people inside and outside Iran, but not accomplish anything beyond making a bad situation worse. But if he does manage to overthrow that regime, I will applaud it. It would be the one positive thing he'd accomplish. But that doesn't excuse the horrible things he's done, in bringing oppression to the US, destabilising the world, and of course his pedophilia and many other personal crimes.
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What right will we have to criticize Putin if he kills Ukrainian president Zelenskyy?
From a legal standpoint, the US has illegally killed the leader of Iran in an illegal war which our leaders are not even criticizing. They are just accepting that the US takes out a leader they do not like, thereby destabilizing a nation of 93 million people.
International law does not allow this, but if we do not uphold international law, what boundaries do we have left to limit dictators like Putin?
@randahl what right? By who's Authority
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What right will we have to criticize Putin if he kills Ukrainian president Zelenskyy?
From a legal standpoint, the US has illegally killed the leader of Iran in an illegal war which our leaders are not even criticizing. They are just accepting that the US takes out a leader they do not like, thereby destabilizing a nation of 93 million people.
International law does not allow this, but if we do not uphold international law, what boundaries do we have left to limit dictators like Putin?
@randahl leaders of most countries usually have more means and opportunities to ensure their own security than ordinary citizens. Local and international laws usually provide leaders with immunity from what they do, including vs their own population. Not sure that many people are upset that the leader of Iran, who was under numerous sanctions, who was involved in repeated executions of protesters, enjoyed impunity for 37 years, has finally died.
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@randahl leaders of most countries usually have more means and opportunities to ensure their own security than ordinary citizens. Local and international laws usually provide leaders with immunity from what they do, including vs their own population. Not sure that many people are upset that the leader of Iran, who was under numerous sanctions, who was involved in repeated executions of protesters, enjoyed impunity for 37 years, has finally died.
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What right will we have to criticize Putin if he kills Ukrainian president Zelenskyy?
From a legal standpoint, the US has illegally killed the leader of Iran in an illegal war which our leaders are not even criticizing. They are just accepting that the US takes out a leader they do not like, thereby destabilizing a nation of 93 million people.
International law does not allow this, but if we do not uphold international law, what boundaries do we have left to limit dictators like Putin?
@randahl What the US has done is worse than simply killing an enemies leader during war, they did it when there were ongoing negotiations. What are countries such as China meant to take from this? That peace talks are to get you to lower your guard so they can attack, and international exercises are so they can kill you when unarmed? Yes, the US isn't condemned because we don't want to admit the alliance is dead, but the perfidy is much worse than regicide.
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What right will we have to criticize Putin if he kills Ukrainian president Zelenskyy?
From a legal standpoint, the US has illegally killed the leader of Iran in an illegal war which our leaders are not even criticizing. They are just accepting that the US takes out a leader they do not like, thereby destabilizing a nation of 93 million people.
International law does not allow this, but if we do not uphold international law, what boundaries do we have left to limit dictators like Putin?
@randahl by we do you nean the US or all other countries?
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What right will we have to criticize Putin if he kills Ukrainian president Zelenskyy?
From a legal standpoint, the US has illegally killed the leader of Iran in an illegal war which our leaders are not even criticizing. They are just accepting that the US takes out a leader they do not like, thereby destabilizing a nation of 93 million people.
International law does not allow this, but if we do not uphold international law, what boundaries do we have left to limit dictators like Putin?
@randahl Putin is the aggressor, he can always be criticized, and by his actions he should definitely be free game. As for the Iranian leaders, this is a war caused by Trump and Netanyahu, it's unacceptable, no one has to unwillingly side with this.
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@randahl My country (Netherlands) is almost as guilty in this illegal war as 'we' send a warship to protect the (real) agressors.
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@randahl Well, I would cheer if Zelinsky managed to kill Putin. I'd cheer even more if he was killed by a furious mob of Russians fed up with war and conscription, but the point is that Putin arrives in Hell. How he gets there is secondary,
@LukefromDC @randahl hell is here.
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@randahl The problem with the concept of “international law” is that it’s always been voluntary. The closest the world has ever come to enforceable international law was the First International Peace Conference at The Hague. Participant nations were willing to limit things like dum dum bullets, but when it came to real armament limitations and agreeing to binding arbitration in place of war, the “great nations,” namely the US, UK, France, Germany, and Austria-Hungary refused to consider such a notion. Russia, whose Tsar, had initiated the conference, was the only major power to promote binding arbitration as a concept. Neither the League of Nations, nor the United Nations has ever attempted to force nations to avoid war. THIS is why Ukraine is in the mess it’s in right now. THIS is why we have a rogue American president invading countries at will.
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What right will we have to criticize Putin if he kills Ukrainian president Zelenskyy?
From a legal standpoint, the US has illegally killed the leader of Iran in an illegal war which our leaders are not even criticizing. They are just accepting that the US takes out a leader they do not like, thereby destabilizing a nation of 93 million people.
International law does not allow this, but if we do not uphold international law, what boundaries do we have left to limit dictators like Putin?
@randahl While I agree with the sentiment, we also have to remember that Zelensky is a democratically elected head of state who did not massacre thousands of people. The law tends to treat differently those who break it.
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