"#Hungary's opposition #Tisza party widens its lead ahead of #Orban's #Fidesz"
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... So me, I'm careful in my language. I'm happy to refer to the first type as "pretty prancing purity ponies", or "the folks who didn't vote against the Nazis", but I want to leaves an opening for the second type, and make it clear that they are welcome to join in.
Right. And the question is what is effective to achieve that
Validating bad behavior doesn't achieve that
We're talking about adults here
The idea that there is someone who goes "well i'm not going to vote because someone was mean on social media" is not a serious proposition
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@benroyce @idahobucks Anning is widely hated, yes. But also voted in.
Assuming that if people who don't vote did they would all vote against fascists isn't a safe assumption. Hungary elected Orban and his government more than once, for example.
Anning is from a nice white English-speaking country so a lot of USA voters find it easier to understand. Plus Australia has compulsory voting and a wider "universal" franchise than the US does.
Currently we have trump specifically because not enough showed up
The general idea that fascists can still win elections doesn't mean anything
On the average, fascists have an easier time of it when less people vote
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Currently we have trump specifically because not enough showed up
The general idea that fascists can still win elections doesn't mean anything
On the average, fascists have an easier time of it when less people vote
@benroyce @idahobucks A lot of my caution comes from the US habit of letting governments pick their voters.
The strategy of yelling abuse at non-voters might get a useful outcome, I don't know your local situation well enough to know. But in general yelling abuse is a poor tactic.
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Currently we have trump specifically because not enough showed up
The general idea that fascists can still win elections doesn't mean anything
On the average, fascists have an easier time of it when less people vote
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then BLESS YOU
you are my hero
so why the fuck would you ever downplay voting in premature capitulation, which only helps MAGA
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@benroyce @idahobucks A lot of my caution comes from the US habit of letting governments pick their voters.
The strategy of yelling abuse at non-voters might get a useful outcome, I don't know your local situation well enough to know. But in general yelling abuse is a poor tactic.
If we're at a place where people won't vote because someone was mean on social media, we're already doomed. Such immature people unable to advocate for their own needs and wants and are that emotionally addled, if they represent a large enough part of society, it speaks of such disgusting laziness and entitlement then just say good bye to it all now
And you certainly won't get such inept losers to vote by coddling their feelings
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"#Hungary's opposition #Tisza party widens its lead ahead of #Orban's #Fidesz"
If Hungary goes sane in April, and then if enough of the lazy entitled lumps in the #USA show up to #vote in November (after showing up in the #primaries to get real left candidates: BE THERE), then we can put a real dent on our emergent #fascism
Fuck your #cynicism
VOTE
Let's do this, "degenerate Westoids" 🤭
@benroyce May 2026 be the year when they all fall like dominos... Spring: Orban -> Summer: Putin -> Autumn: Trump -> Winter: Netanyahu
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@benroyce you are missing the big picture. There is no real push back at all right now. We the people seem to think the Dems will save us which is not the case. We are in the five alarm stage now and people keep talking about voting and laws. The president doesn't worry about laws as he does what he wants like making himself billions of dollars. I have no idea what to do and don't see any real push back. Minnesota pushed back for a while and it's over even though ICE is in the suburbs right now.
I'm not sure who you're listening to, but people I know are talking about how to evade the police and guerrilla warfare and such. The Dems are talking about voting and laws, but they're in on the scheme. Everyone else is discussing survival of economic collapse and police states. The reason there's no pushback is not because we won't, it's because we can't. We've been systematically hamstringed as a society for so long....
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@benroyce May 2026 be the year when they all fall like dominos... Spring: Orban -> Summer: Putin -> Autumn: Trump -> Winter: Netanyahu
@FrancoisPrague the world could really use some of that.
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"#Hungary's opposition #Tisza party widens its lead ahead of #Orban's #Fidesz"
If Hungary goes sane in April, and then if enough of the lazy entitled lumps in the #USA show up to #vote in November (after showing up in the #primaries to get real left candidates: BE THERE), then we can put a real dent on our emergent #fascism
Fuck your #cynicism
VOTE
Let's do this, "degenerate Westoids" 🤭
@benroyce I presume Uncle Volodea will make sure he falls from a balcony in the meantime not to disturb his mate Viktor
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@benroyce I live close to the .hu border and I know some Hungarians.
They are as stupid as Austrians, Muricans or Russians.Mark my words when it comes to elections.
@carbon_compound @benroyce there's really no need to paint just some nations with a broad brush. Stupidity is an ubiquitous human trait.
There's reasons why people in Eastern Germany, Hungary and Slovakia voted for hard right parties. But i feel like it is currently very visible demonstrated that hard right parties lead down a path that fails even harder on these reasons...
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@carbon_compound @benroyce there's really no need to paint just some nations with a broad brush. Stupidity is an ubiquitous human trait.
There's reasons why people in Eastern Germany, Hungary and Slovakia voted for hard right parties. But i feel like it is currently very visible demonstrated that hard right parties lead down a path that fails even harder on these reasons...
@carbon_compound @benroyce (hard agree on the Austrians thou hahaha)
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If we're at a place where people won't vote because someone was mean on social media, we're already doomed. Such immature people unable to advocate for their own needs and wants and are that emotionally addled, if they represent a large enough part of society, it speaks of such disgusting laziness and entitlement then just say good bye to it all now
And you certainly won't get such inept losers to vote by coddling their feelings
I find the idea of "iterating to better" somewhat naive. Even with perfectly proportional electoral system elected individuals tend to reflect the worldview and education level of the general population.
Turnaround at the recent elections was merely the last straw. Underlying economic and social issues combined with uselessness of the Dem leadership played a much bigger role.
Even if Harris would win the problem would return in 4 years.
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"#Hungary's opposition #Tisza party widens its lead ahead of #Orban's #Fidesz"
If Hungary goes sane in April, and then if enough of the lazy entitled lumps in the #USA show up to #vote in November (after showing up in the #primaries to get real left candidates: BE THERE), then we can put a real dent on our emergent #fascism
Fuck your #cynicism
VOTE
Let's do this, "degenerate Westoids" 🤭
@benroyce
UK suffers a similar problem. Apathy. Nonvoters letting extremists get a toe hold.
There’s a Parliamentary election in Manchester today. The fascist Reform (private limited company) party have broken almost every electoral rule in the run up to it. The state media have platformed the fascists. Nobody has been censured.
Everyone is hoping that enough native Mancunians can see through the bullshit and get out to vote gainst them.
This is NOT helped by lying pollsters - fascists making up their own, the Greens deliberately misrepresenting data (caught by UK Full Fact).We’ll have the answer tomorrow morning, until then we’re just hoping that people have more sense than turkeys that vote for Christmas.
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@benroyce May 2026 be the year when they all fall like dominos... Spring: Orban -> Summer: Putin -> Autumn: Trump -> Winter: Netanyahu
@FrancoisPrague @benroyce We can at least hope so!
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I find the idea of "iterating to better" somewhat naive. Even with perfectly proportional electoral system elected individuals tend to reflect the worldview and education level of the general population.
Turnaround at the recent elections was merely the last straw. Underlying economic and social issues combined with uselessness of the Dem leadership played a much bigger role.
Even if Harris would win the problem would return in 4 years.
the problem is always there
defeating fascism is not "yay we won!" then it is all over forever. that is what is naive
it requires people to constantly vote and constantly show up
and so that is naive on my part:
that so many people "on the left" have the constitution and resolve to just fucking vote, something easy to do- relatively speaking compared to other forms of struggle
and that is the failure:
loser assholes who don't vote
they let us all down
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the problem is always there
defeating fascism is not "yay we won!" then it is all over forever. that is what is naive
it requires people to constantly vote and constantly show up
and so that is naive on my part:
that so many people "on the left" have the constitution and resolve to just fucking vote, something easy to do- relatively speaking compared to other forms of struggle
and that is the failure:
loser assholes who don't vote
they let us all down
we lose an election?
we keep going
correct?
no
what we get is "waah waah we lost one election. waah waah this is so hard. waah waah i give up"
fucking losers
and so fascism has it easier. *because of* people supposedly on the left. supposedly, because the real left in days of yore had a fucking backbone
that's what we lack nowadays
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@benroyce May 2026 be the year when they all fall like dominos... Spring: Orban -> Summer: Putin -> Autumn: Trump -> Winter: Netanyahu
VOOOOOTTTTTTTEEEEEEEEEEE
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@benroyce
UK suffers a similar problem. Apathy. Nonvoters letting extremists get a toe hold.
There’s a Parliamentary election in Manchester today. The fascist Reform (private limited company) party have broken almost every electoral rule in the run up to it. The state media have platformed the fascists. Nobody has been censured.
Everyone is hoping that enough native Mancunians can see through the bullshit and get out to vote gainst them.
This is NOT helped by lying pollsters - fascists making up their own, the Greens deliberately misrepresenting data (caught by UK Full Fact).We’ll have the answer tomorrow morning, until then we’re just hoping that people have more sense than turkeys that vote for Christmas.
VOTE!
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VOOOOOTTTTTTTEEEEEEEEEEE
