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  3. Do we need a term (probably German) for the anxiety that one's work might look like it was generated by machines?

Do we need a term (probably German) for the anxiety that one's work might look like it was generated by machines?

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  • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

    Do we need a term (probably German) for the anxiety that one's work might look like it was generated by machines?

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    #31

    @JulianOliver LLMposter Syndrome

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    • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

      I heard from someone near me today that to make your work appear less like it was machine-generated the emerging rule is that you should not use the 'em dash', nor write in paragraphs, rather one text block.

      I have prior heard another say that text summaries at the end of an article are seen as indication of genAI use, as is text free of typos.

      Has anyone heard of other references to behaviour-change born of such anxiety?

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      #32

      @JulianOliver This is a great listen, specifically about the much-maligned em dash and the em dash backlash: https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/658-the-em-dash/

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      • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

        @catileptic This is also insightful, and I must say encouraging.

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        #33

        @JulianOliver @catileptic https://archive.org/stream/alfie-bown-dream-lovers/Alfie_Bown_-_Dream_Lovers_djvu.txt find on page: The Match: Metaphor vs Metonymy

        +1 from me on all the tells other people are mentioning. The blandness and inability to put a point on it usually tips me off.

        It’s not just boring–it’s also trite 😅

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        • catileptic@chaos.socialC catileptic@chaos.social

          @JulianOliver if you'd like to read a bit about the difference between metonymy and metaphor (which are, at their core, concepts from within literature critique and theory), but applied to technologies (like search engines), i highly recommend Alfie Bown's book 'Dream Lovers', chapter 4 (The Match: Metaphor vs Metonymy). you don't need to read the rest of the chapters in order to get something from this one 🙂 (but it's also a genuinely good book!)

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          @catileptic @JulianOliver Thanks for the book pointer. It looks really interesting.

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          • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

            I heard from someone near me today that to make your work appear less like it was machine-generated the emerging rule is that you should not use the 'em dash', nor write in paragraphs, rather one text block.

            I have prior heard another say that text summaries at the end of an article are seen as indication of genAI use, as is text free of typos.

            Has anyone heard of other references to behaviour-change born of such anxiety?

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            #35

            @JulianOliver I have seen typos recently that I wondered about. It wouldn't surprise me if humans added more humanity as a signal of authenticity.

            I wonder if something like "shoe on head" video chat authentication will also come back out of necessity.

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            • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

              @themadhatter True! We don't hear much about the parrot anymore. We should bring it back -- a useful metaphor.

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              #36

              @JulianOliver this one is not bad either:

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              • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                This article shared by @slackline has some strongly-related fight in it https://www.theringer.com/2025/08/20/pop-culture/em-dash-use-ai-artificial-intelligence-chatgpt-google-gemini

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                #37

                @JulianOliver
                > always used the em dash

                Yeah – crowds blame humans for using what the #siliconiac had stolen.

                @slackline

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                • woody@pleroma.pch.netW woody@pleroma.pch.net
                  @JulianOliver

                  I just finished a ~30-page white-paper, and afterwards ran it through Claude asking whether there were any constructions or anything that it would flag as AI-written. It caught a couple of things which were a little stilted... I re-wrote them in more direct language. So, yeah, I'd certainly rather nobody thought that my writing was AI-generated, and I'm willing to do a little extra work to try to make sure of that.
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                  @woody @JulianOliver So to avoid coming off as AI generated, you put your writing through a chatbot?

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                  • scott@sfba.socialS scott@sfba.social

                    @JulianOliver This is a great listen, specifically about the much-maligned em dash and the em dash backlash: https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/658-the-em-dash/

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                    @scott Thanks! I will listen to it today.

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                    • jairajdevadiga@mastodon.socialJ jairajdevadiga@mastodon.social

                      @woody @JulianOliver So to avoid coming off as AI generated, you put your writing through a chatbot?

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                      @jairajdevadiga @woody Admittedly I also find the strategy perplexing.

                      Bill is your concern that readers might put your text through an 'AI detection' tool and deem it machine made, or that a human might read it and deem it so?

                      Both?

                      If more the latter, might not soliciting feedback from people be a more fruitful approach?

                      If the former, I worry Claude would be so poisoned with bias you may risk giving a genAI stink to the text where it otherwise may have none.

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