Dear fedizens
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Dear fedizens
I'm getting into secure resilient decentralised mesh p2p/p4p communication networks.
(Wow, that's a mouthful)Could y'all give me some advice about relevant tech and hardware?
My primary use case is getting a few thousand people securely connected (messaging, preferably some web services as well) in a large area (hundreds of km²) with rugged terrain.
Eventually the use case will become fairly similar to "neighbourhood-first software", with 100k people across a few thousand km²: https://tv.lumbung.space/w/nzuB248U2LQA1LCn7vYmERI've watched and read some stuff about #meshtastic, #meshcore and #reticulum, like
this blog post https://www.jonaharagon.com/posts/im-getting-into-mesh-networks-meshtastic-meshcore-and-reticulum
this glorious video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_F4rEaRduk
and #p4panda in this blog post https://lores.tech/blog/example-chat-app/I'm leaning in favour of reticulum with p4panda on top, but can be convinced otherwise.
What sorta hardware is suitable?
Is #microreticulum functional?
Do you know of any decent guides?Boosts welcome, cheers!
#fedihelp #fediask #mesh #networking #p2p #p4p #anarchism #digitalAutonomy #localResilienceTech #decentralization #decentralisation #neighbourhoodFirstSoftware
@papiris Maybe worth looking at the work of @JulianOliver ?
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Dear fedizens
I'm getting into secure resilient decentralised mesh p2p/p4p communication networks.
(Wow, that's a mouthful)Could y'all give me some advice about relevant tech and hardware?
My primary use case is getting a few thousand people securely connected (messaging, preferably some web services as well) in a large area (hundreds of km²) with rugged terrain.
Eventually the use case will become fairly similar to "neighbourhood-first software", with 100k people across a few thousand km²: https://tv.lumbung.space/w/nzuB248U2LQA1LCn7vYmERI've watched and read some stuff about #meshtastic, #meshcore and #reticulum, like
this blog post https://www.jonaharagon.com/posts/im-getting-into-mesh-networks-meshtastic-meshcore-and-reticulum
this glorious video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_F4rEaRduk
and #p4panda in this blog post https://lores.tech/blog/example-chat-app/I'm leaning in favour of reticulum with p4panda on top, but can be convinced otherwise.
What sorta hardware is suitable?
Is #microreticulum functional?
Do you know of any decent guides?Boosts welcome, cheers!
#fedihelp #fediask #mesh #networking #p2p #p4p #anarchism #digitalAutonomy #localResilienceTech #decentralization #decentralisation #neighbourhoodFirstSoftware
@papiris (I'm not a techie, so maybe this is too generic for you, but I heard an interesting talk by Valerie Aurora who's setting up such a network in Amsterdam and offers guidance here https://bowshock.nl/irc/.)
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Dear fedizens
I'm getting into secure resilient decentralised mesh p2p/p4p communication networks.
(Wow, that's a mouthful)Could y'all give me some advice about relevant tech and hardware?
My primary use case is getting a few thousand people securely connected (messaging, preferably some web services as well) in a large area (hundreds of km²) with rugged terrain.
Eventually the use case will become fairly similar to "neighbourhood-first software", with 100k people across a few thousand km²: https://tv.lumbung.space/w/nzuB248U2LQA1LCn7vYmERI've watched and read some stuff about #meshtastic, #meshcore and #reticulum, like
this blog post https://www.jonaharagon.com/posts/im-getting-into-mesh-networks-meshtastic-meshcore-and-reticulum
this glorious video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_F4rEaRduk
and #p4panda in this blog post https://lores.tech/blog/example-chat-app/I'm leaning in favour of reticulum with p4panda on top, but can be convinced otherwise.
What sorta hardware is suitable?
Is #microreticulum functional?
Do you know of any decent guides?Boosts welcome, cheers!
#fedihelp #fediask #mesh #networking #p2p #p4p #anarchism #digitalAutonomy #localResilienceTech #decentralization #decentralisation #neighbourhoodFirstSoftware
@papiris look into Wireless User Groups basically very wide area wifi mesh networks using off the shelf hardware. scalable and robust
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Dear fedizens
I'm getting into secure resilient decentralised mesh p2p/p4p communication networks.
(Wow, that's a mouthful)Could y'all give me some advice about relevant tech and hardware?
My primary use case is getting a few thousand people securely connected (messaging, preferably some web services as well) in a large area (hundreds of km²) with rugged terrain.
Eventually the use case will become fairly similar to "neighbourhood-first software", with 100k people across a few thousand km²: https://tv.lumbung.space/w/nzuB248U2LQA1LCn7vYmERI've watched and read some stuff about #meshtastic, #meshcore and #reticulum, like
this blog post https://www.jonaharagon.com/posts/im-getting-into-mesh-networks-meshtastic-meshcore-and-reticulum
this glorious video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_F4rEaRduk
and #p4panda in this blog post https://lores.tech/blog/example-chat-app/I'm leaning in favour of reticulum with p4panda on top, but can be convinced otherwise.
What sorta hardware is suitable?
Is #microreticulum functional?
Do you know of any decent guides?Boosts welcome, cheers!
#fedihelp #fediask #mesh #networking #p2p #p4p #anarchism #digitalAutonomy #localResilienceTech #decentralization #decentralisation #neighbourhoodFirstSoftware
@papiris Huge topic. Simply put If you want more than texting, you're prob looking at some layer atop LoRaWAN for low power long range meshing. Reticulum is exciting, but held back by lack of off-shelf standalone firmware support for LoRa devices.
If you merely need private messaging in the event of blackout, then Meshcore or Meshtastic are gtg. I prefer flex & ethos of the latter, though MC has better sec & more suited to very large areas. In my region MT works v well, texting nodes 150km away
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Dear fedizens
I'm getting into secure resilient decentralised mesh p2p/p4p communication networks.
(Wow, that's a mouthful)Could y'all give me some advice about relevant tech and hardware?
My primary use case is getting a few thousand people securely connected (messaging, preferably some web services as well) in a large area (hundreds of km²) with rugged terrain.
Eventually the use case will become fairly similar to "neighbourhood-first software", with 100k people across a few thousand km²: https://tv.lumbung.space/w/nzuB248U2LQA1LCn7vYmERI've watched and read some stuff about #meshtastic, #meshcore and #reticulum, like
this blog post https://www.jonaharagon.com/posts/im-getting-into-mesh-networks-meshtastic-meshcore-and-reticulum
this glorious video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_F4rEaRduk
and #p4panda in this blog post https://lores.tech/blog/example-chat-app/I'm leaning in favour of reticulum with p4panda on top, but can be convinced otherwise.
What sorta hardware is suitable?
Is #microreticulum functional?
Do you know of any decent guides?Boosts welcome, cheers!
#fedihelp #fediask #mesh #networking #p2p #p4p #anarchism #digitalAutonomy #localResilienceTech #decentralization #decentralisation #neighbourhoodFirstSoftware
@papiris Don't overdo the privacy aspects at first, default meshtastic and meshcore are hard enough and most of your problems will be with infrastructure/power/coverage.
There may be legislation preventing encryption on ISM bands, especially if you end up needing more power (IIRC typically 1 watt over here).
I also hear people using LoRa on 2.4GHz but I don't know what hardware they're on. -
@papiris Don't overdo the privacy aspects at first, default meshtastic and meshcore are hard enough and most of your problems will be with infrastructure/power/coverage.
There may be legislation preventing encryption on ISM bands, especially if you end up needing more power (IIRC typically 1 watt over here).
I also hear people using LoRa on 2.4GHz but I don't know what hardware they're on.@papiris If you're using solar panels, stick with nRF chips. Keep the ESP32 chips for locations with more power.
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@papiris Huge topic. Simply put If you want more than texting, you're prob looking at some layer atop LoRaWAN for low power long range meshing. Reticulum is exciting, but held back by lack of off-shelf standalone firmware support for LoRa devices.
If you merely need private messaging in the event of blackout, then Meshcore or Meshtastic are gtg. I prefer flex & ethos of the latter, though MC has better sec & more suited to very large areas. In my region MT works v well, texting nodes 150km away
@JulianOliver @papiris Not entirely true thats its a direct lack in Reticulum.
Many experiments are happening with autonomous LoRa nodes e.g., microReticulum, and they are becoming usable as of writing. Ratspeak made firmware for a tdeck and cardputer as autonomous devices. Someone else made an implementation on heltec v4.
There are autonomous nodes around from different experimentation and this will only increase and become more stable. I will see if I can find or compose a list of such firmware.
If you are looking for a hardware-agnostic networking stack that can be mixed with other p2p software i also find Reticulum to be the more interesting one and where i channel my energy and contribution (capacity are limited so I need to choose wisely), versus other more usage-specific alternatives. My view on this is more based on my belief in it rather than its current utilitarian purposes, although i do think this will flourish in the near-future
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Dear fedizens
I'm getting into secure resilient decentralised mesh p2p/p4p communication networks.
(Wow, that's a mouthful)Could y'all give me some advice about relevant tech and hardware?
My primary use case is getting a few thousand people securely connected (messaging, preferably some web services as well) in a large area (hundreds of km²) with rugged terrain.
Eventually the use case will become fairly similar to "neighbourhood-first software", with 100k people across a few thousand km²: https://tv.lumbung.space/w/nzuB248U2LQA1LCn7vYmERI've watched and read some stuff about #meshtastic, #meshcore and #reticulum, like
this blog post https://www.jonaharagon.com/posts/im-getting-into-mesh-networks-meshtastic-meshcore-and-reticulum
this glorious video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_F4rEaRduk
and #p4panda in this blog post https://lores.tech/blog/example-chat-app/I'm leaning in favour of reticulum with p4panda on top, but can be convinced otherwise.
What sorta hardware is suitable?
Is #microreticulum functional?
Do you know of any decent guides?Boosts welcome, cheers!
#fedihelp #fediask #mesh #networking #p2p #p4p #anarchism #digitalAutonomy #localResilienceTech #decentralization #decentralisation #neighbourhoodFirstSoftware
@papiris I'm happy to chat about why I'm also leaning towards P2Panda over reticulum.
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@papiris I'm happy to chat about why I'm also leaning towards P2Panda over reticulum.
@jadehopepunk @papiris Would you mind illustrating the most important aspects? P2Panda is on my to-do list, so I'm not familiar with it all at right now. I also understood it more as an application layer solution.
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@JulianOliver @papiris Not entirely true thats its a direct lack in Reticulum.
Many experiments are happening with autonomous LoRa nodes e.g., microReticulum, and they are becoming usable as of writing. Ratspeak made firmware for a tdeck and cardputer as autonomous devices. Someone else made an implementation on heltec v4.
There are autonomous nodes around from different experimentation and this will only increase and become more stable. I will see if I can find or compose a list of such firmware.
If you are looking for a hardware-agnostic networking stack that can be mixed with other p2p software i also find Reticulum to be the more interesting one and where i channel my energy and contribution (capacity are limited so I need to choose wisely), versus other more usage-specific alternatives. My view on this is more based on my belief in it rather than its current utilitarian purposes, although i do think this will flourish in the near-future
@andersaardvark @papiris I didn't know about the Reticulum T-Deck standalone. Cool! I hope we see more OOTB Reticulum solutions. I love my ESP32's, but too hungry for small solar builds. A bunch of pre-flashed NRF's on the market would be a gamechanger.
While I am v excited by growing a civilian-owned and operated E2EE carrier agnostic WAN mesh, IME this desire is rare & for most, overkill. Most seem to solely seek a low-fiddle resilience fallback for staying in touch with those they care about
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