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  3. We strongly oppose the Unified Attestation initiative and call for app developers supporting privacy, security and freedom on mobile to avoid it.

We strongly oppose the Unified Attestation initiative and call for app developers supporting privacy, security and freedom on mobile to avoid it.

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  • meanmicio@todon.euM meanmicio@todon.eu

    @GrapheneOS @volla These type of divisive debates weaken the community and are the biggest gift to Google & Big Tech. We don't need fighting among the community. On the contrary, let's put the effort in building a large and diverse free/libre ecosystem in mobile computing.🤗

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    #131

    @meanmicio @GrapheneOS @volla GrapheneOS has taken steps to create a more private and secure ecosystem. These other organizations have not. They are welcome to begin pushing towards that at any time, but until then, they are actively working against it. You phrase your message as positive, but you are telling victims of harassment and other various crimes to forgive their attackers, and work together with scammers and liars. These scammers do not work towards the same goal and they are making it worse, not better.

    What you ask is incredibly disrespectful, and neglects the reality of the situation in favor of empty platitudes and the illusion of making progress.

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    • mrgr@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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      #132

      @GrapheneOS dann zeigt doch mal einen aktuellen Link zu so einem Beitrag. Bislang habe ich dazu nichts gesehen. Und bitte keinen Post von X. Ich bin nicht bei X. @bastian

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        #133

        @GrapheneOS für euch ist doch vor allem entscheidend, dass euer eigenes Betriebssystem für europäische Banking Apps und Wallet Apps genutzt werden kann.

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          #134

          @GrapheneOS @bastian Auch mir werft ihr jetzt vor zu lügen. Ich bin entsetzt über eure Art mit anderen zu kommunizieren. Ihr enttäuscht mich sehr.

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            #135

            @GrapheneOS @MrGR yeah got it, sorry. If you wanna add something to clarify, feel free, i'd like knowing whats the reason for all that if you have the time for it. If not, it's all good. No need to reply here if you don't have the time for it.

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            • mrgr@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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              #136

              @GrapheneOS @bastian ich konnte auf dem Account von @gael keinen einzigen Post über GrapheneOS finden.

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              • mrgr@mastodon.socialM mrgr@mastodon.social

                @GrapheneOS @bastian Auch mir werft ihr jetzt vor zu lügen. Ich bin entsetzt über eure Art mit anderen zu kommunizieren. Ihr enttäuscht mich sehr.

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                #137

                @MrGR @GrapheneOS @bastian ja es ist beschämend als GrapheneOS Benutzer mitzuerleben, wie diese gegen Murena und Co stänkern, anstatt mal sich zusammen zu raufen, die streiteren beiseite zu legen und vllt gemeinsam was machen s. die Idee Bezüglich Unified Attestation (https://www.golem.de/news/banking-apps-und-custom-roms-grapheneos-wirft-volla-murena-und-iode-taeuschung-vor-2603-206314.html) .... Wenn man sich da zusammenschließen würde und es gemeinsam entwickeln würde, käme bestimmt was gutes raus mit dem alle zufrieden sind ..... Aber nein, GrapheneOS pisst lieber andere an, Hauptsache die arbeiten mit Motorola zusammen (was meiner Meinung nach eine Fehlentscheidung war)

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                • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                  We strongly oppose the Unified Attestation initiative and call for app developers supporting privacy, security and freedom on mobile to avoid it. Companies selling phones should not be deciding which operating systems people are allowed to use for apps.

                  https://uattest.net/

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                  #138

                  @GrapheneOS I don't want attestation to begin with. Software should not care what hardware it's running on and hardware should not care what software it's running. Bootloader locking should be at the whim of the device's owner not the companies that made it, and it should be optional with the option to enroll your own keys if you wish to use it. Moving ownership from Google to another company doesn't solve the inherent problem here. I own my device, not the manufacturer.

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                  • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                    Having a European version of the Play Integrity which permits people to use insecure products from specific European companies participating in it while disallowing using arbitrary hardware or software is the opposite of a solution. It's more of the same anti-competitive garbage.

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                    #139

                    @GrapheneOS Totally, 🤦🏼 I don't wanna be locked-in📵 😠

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                    • pingitux@social.tchncs.deP pingitux@social.tchncs.de

                      @MrGR @GrapheneOS @bastian ja es ist beschämend als GrapheneOS Benutzer mitzuerleben, wie diese gegen Murena und Co stänkern, anstatt mal sich zusammen zu raufen, die streiteren beiseite zu legen und vllt gemeinsam was machen s. die Idee Bezüglich Unified Attestation (https://www.golem.de/news/banking-apps-und-custom-roms-grapheneos-wirft-volla-murena-und-iode-taeuschung-vor-2603-206314.html) .... Wenn man sich da zusammenschließen würde und es gemeinsam entwickeln würde, käme bestimmt was gutes raus mit dem alle zufrieden sind ..... Aber nein, GrapheneOS pisst lieber andere an, Hauptsache die arbeiten mit Motorola zusammen (was meiner Meinung nach eine Fehlentscheidung war)

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                      #140

                      @Pingitux mir geht es genauso. @GrapheneOS @bastian

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                      • mrgr@mastodon.socialM mrgr@mastodon.social

                        @Pingitux mir geht es genauso. @GrapheneOS @bastian

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                        #141

                        @MrGR @GrapheneOS @bastian Ich weiß nicht was bei den Machern von GrapheneOS los ist, es ist nur zumKopf schütteln..... Die haben ein gutes Produkt, aber wie die sich gerade im Netz präsentieren sit kontraproduktiv .....

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                        • mrgr@mastodon.socialM mrgr@mastodon.social

                          @GrapheneOS für euch ist doch vor allem entscheidend, dass euer eigenes Betriebssystem für europäische Banking Apps und Wallet Apps genutzt werden kann.

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                          #142

                          @MrGR Every operating system should be allowed to be used with European banking and wallet apps as long as they implement the technical requirements. It certainly shouldn't be up to for-profit companies selling products and services whether it's Google or Volla to determine which devices and operating systems are allowed to be used. If banks and governments insist on it being implemented then it should be done by a neutral organization not controlled by companies allowing only their products.

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                          • mrgr@mastodon.socialM mrgr@mastodon.social

                            @GrapheneOS Ich wundere mich, dass du so viel Zeit dafür verwendest, eure Angriffe gegenüber andere zu rechtfertigen. Ich denke mal, dass die Nutzer selbst entscheiden können, für welches System sie sich entscheiden. Eure Öffentlichkeitsarbeit gegen andere Mitbewerber bewirkt eher das Gegenteil von dem, was ihr beabsichtigt! Wenn mich GrapheneOS nicht überzeugen würde, würden eure aggressiven Posts mich von euch eher abstoßen. Du überschätzt die Bedeutung von Gael (eos) und IODE. @bastian

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                            #143

                            @MrGR @bastian You're continuing to lie about us and misrepresent what's actually happening. Our efforts at countering the false marketing from these groups and their recent efforts to put themselves in control of which operating systems people are allowed to use for European banking and governments apps are working out fine. Your efforts to attack us by misrepresenting what we're saying and doing along with the context for it are fruitless and not achieving anything. All you've gained is a ban.

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                            • pingitux@social.tchncs.deP pingitux@social.tchncs.de

                              @MrGR @GrapheneOS @bastian Ich weiß nicht was bei den Machern von GrapheneOS los ist, es ist nur zumKopf schütteln..... Die haben ein gutes Produkt, aber wie die sich gerade im Netz präsentieren sit kontraproduktiv .....

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                              #144

                              @Pingitux ja, auch für mich ist das ein Kommunikations GAU. So schadet man sich nur selber und am Ende ist Google der lachende Dritte. Nachdem der GOS Typ auch mir vorwarf, zu lügen, überlege ich mir, ob mein nächstes Gerät wieder ein GOS Handy wird. Mich erinnert das an Elon Musik.

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                              • mrgr@mastodon.socialM mrgr@mastodon.social

                                @GrapheneOS dann zeigt doch mal einen aktuellen Link zu so einem Beitrag. Bislang habe ich dazu nichts gesehen. Und bitte keinen Post von X. Ich bin nicht bei X. @bastian

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                                #145

                                @MrGR @bastian We provided you with archive links and can provide many more if you look at that and acknowledge it.

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                                • calcprogrammer1@mastodon.socialC calcprogrammer1@mastodon.social

                                  @GrapheneOS I don't want attestation to begin with. Software should not care what hardware it's running on and hardware should not care what software it's running. Bootloader locking should be at the whim of the device's owner not the companies that made it, and it should be optional with the option to enroll your own keys if you wish to use it. Moving ownership from Google to another company doesn't solve the inherent problem here. I own my device, not the manufacturer.

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                                  #146

                                  @CalcProgrammer1 It's possible to provide features based on hardware attestation for end users without providing a form of it usable by apps to ban using alternative hardware and software. Unfortunately, the primary way that it's being used is controlling which hardware and software people are allowed to use including banning alternatives to iOS and Google Mobile Services Android. European companies making their own system banning anything other than OSes participating it is awful too.

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                                  • mrgr@mastodon.socialM mrgr@mastodon.social

                                    @GrapheneOS @bastian Es handelt sich um Links, die offensichtlich gar nicht mehr online sind. Du teilst Links aus dem Webarchiv. Gael (Begründer von /e/os/) mag auch mitschuldig sein, aber ich glaube, ihr habt wirklich wichtigeres zu tun, als euch mit Gael zu streiten. Euer Streit interessiert niemand, der sich für Custom ROM interessiert! Kümmert euch um euer eigenes Projekt und treibt es voran. Ich wünsche euch viel Erfolg bei eurer Zusammenarbeit mit Motorola. DAS interessiert uns!

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                                    #147

                                    @MrGR @GrapheneOS @bastian Das ist deine persönliche Meinung. Ich empfinde die Aufklärungsarbeit, die GrapheneOS Leute betreiben, als hilfreich und wichtig. Gerade erst durch diesen Thread z.B. habe ich erfahren, dass /e/ von einem crypto-Faschisten geleitet wird. KiwiFarms ist eine Community die dafür bekannt ist, koordinierte harassment und doxxing campaigns gegen individuelle trans Frauen zu betreiben, mit dem Ziel sie bis in den Suizid zu drängen. Dass der Leiter von einem EU gefördertem Projekt sich in diesen Kreisen aufhält, ist enttäuschend und gut zu wissen.

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                                    • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                                      @privacyfriendly Android Open Source Project and GrapheneOS are Linux. AOSP is open source and has a massive ecosystem built on the open source code. There are many stakeholders interested in continuing it. It would be a very messy situation if the original upstream stopped existing but it's entirely possible for development on it as an open source project to continue. It hopefully won't come to that. Ideally Android will be forcibly split from Google into a company friendlier to open source.

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                                      #148

                                      @GrapheneOS @privacyfriendly I have a question in a hypothetical framework. If that was like this in the end and Android closed completely... What would you do in that case??? Is it possible for you to participate in the development of an alternative Linux operating system like those already underway???

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                                      • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                                        We strongly oppose the Unified Attestation initiative and call for app developers supporting privacy, security and freedom on mobile to avoid it. Companies selling phones should not be deciding which operating systems people are allowed to use for apps.

                                        https://uattest.net/

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                                        #149

                                        @GrapheneOS the system is open source, what stop you to implement it and even better contributing to it to improve security?
                                        Because this system is a very good idea to reinsure the banking company and European Union and it create a viable alternative to the Play Integrity.
                                        Your approach to just say the security rely on the user didn't convince any big firm as they are legally still responsible in case of issue and the law on that is still protecting consumers.
                                        The responsibility will remains on the apps for consumer protection so we need an alternative to make it that way and Graphene OS is not providing anything for that.

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                                        • tycoontom@infosec.exchangeT tycoontom@infosec.exchange

                                          @GrapheneOS Totally, 🤦🏼 I don't wanna be locked-in📵 😠

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                                          #150

                                          @TycoonTom @GrapheneOS you will not be, the standard is open for everyone

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