"#Hungary's opposition #Tisza party widens its lead ahead of #Orban's #Fidesz"
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@benroyce not sure you can actually vote out facism.
@idahobucks @benroyce I'm pretty sure you can actually vote out fascists. That said if you got another way of getting rid of them, get to it and find like minded people to join you.
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@idahobucks @benroyce I'm pretty sure you can actually vote out fascists. That said if you got another way of getting rid of them, get to it and find like minded people to join you.
i completely support that
but even if there is some other way to remove #fascism than voting, the people working that angle will insist people still #vote, because it is merely another tactic in a larger war. the vote as a tool of vandalism/ sabotage is just a strategy
so even if you completely abandon voting in your mind, and you go to some movement working another angle to fight fascism, they will be saying "oh make sure to vote to fuck with them"
so you still vote!
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i completely support that
but even if there is some other way to remove #fascism than voting, the people working that angle will insist people still #vote, because it is merely another tactic in a larger war. the vote as a tool of vandalism/ sabotage is just a strategy
so even if you completely abandon voting in your mind, and you go to some movement working another angle to fight fascism, they will be saying "oh make sure to vote to fuck with them"
so you still vote!
@benroyce @HakeemG @idahobucks
As many tactics/strategies as it takes....AOW suggests being flexible and willing to use any # of strategies at any given point. It will take numerous strategies continuously to dismantle what damage has been done. -
@mastodonmigration @moz @idahobucks
therefore, anyone who is not voting, just because of their fucking feelings of resentment, helplessness, etc:
grow a fucking backbone!
the point of a vote is to advocate for your own wants and needs effectively
the point is not to vibe on social media wallowing in self-pity and despair, while your rights are stripped away
the left of yore, in previous centuries, would look at the "left" today and smack their foreheads
so many are so fucking weak
@benroyce @mastodonmigration @moz @idahobucks I would argue gerrymandering and disinformation is more of the problem than voting, but I agree people should vote.
People have been yelling at people to vote since the beginning , maybe there should be a better tactic, cause it doesn't seem to be working.
BTW I voted every year for the past 34 years in all elections was allowed (local, state and federal).
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If what you are suggesting is that some folks won't vote because their feelings where hurt by someone on social media, then you seem to have identified the problem, because social media is being used by some very astute people to suppress their votes.
@mastodonmigration
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@benroyce @HakeemG @idahobucks
As many tactics/strategies as it takes....AOW suggests being flexible and willing to use any # of strategies at any given point. It will take numerous strategies continuously to dismantle what damage has been done.@LilithMonkey @HakeemG @idahobucks
exactly
and so many hear me going "VOTE ASSHOLES" and think i'm saying "only vote, do nothing else"
no! not what i'm saying
do all the good things. protest, strike, etc
*and* vote
that is my message
meanwhile there are people out there saying "do all the good things *except* vote"
that is so fucking stupid
or an outright agent provocateur psyop from MAGA or geopolitical troll farm cosplaying left
voting is just another valid tactic
that's it!
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@benroyce @mastodonmigration @moz @idahobucks I would argue gerrymandering and disinformation is more of the problem than voting, but I agree people should vote.
People have been yelling at people to vote since the beginning , maybe there should be a better tactic, cause it doesn't seem to be working.
BTW I voted every year for the past 34 years in all elections was allowed (local, state and federal).
@Ox1de @mastodonmigration @moz @idahobucks
well we're going to be yelling at each other until there is only one human left
that's all we've ever done and ever will do
regardless, we vote
anyone who can't vote because "people yelling too much" are just weak fools
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@Ox1de @mastodonmigration @moz @idahobucks
well we're going to be yelling at each other until there is only one human left
that's all we've ever done and ever will do
regardless, we vote
anyone who can't vote because "people yelling too much" are just weak fools
@benroyce @mastodonmigration @moz @idahobucks I tend to ignore people that yell at me, just saying.
we're yelling cause that's all we can do in a system that's not truly democratic, this is what "they" want
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@benroyce @mastodonmigration @moz @idahobucks I tend to ignore people that yell at me, just saying.
we're yelling cause that's all we can do in a system that's not truly democratic, this is what "they" want
@Ox1de @mastodonmigration @moz @idahobucks
Well I'm not yelling at you, I'm yelling at nonvoters
And I fully expect them to not care. Or even double down on not voting because I yelled at them. As if someone motivated by emotion is an ally or even on the left. They're just useless entitled lazy assholes
The point of yelling at such people is for the sake of everyone else reading along
Who understand and identify those who don't vote: weak whiners, and resolve not to be like that themselves
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@mastodonmigration @moz @idahobucks
therefore, anyone who is not voting, just because of their fucking feelings of resentment, helplessness, etc:
grow a fucking backbone!
the point of a vote is to advocate for your own wants and needs effectively
the point is not to vibe on social media wallowing in self-pity and despair, while your rights are stripped away
the left of yore, in previous centuries, would look at the "left" today and smack their foreheads
so many are so fucking weak
@benroyce @mastodonmigration @moz @idahobucks
"If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice."Rush, Free Will
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@LilithMonkey @HakeemG @idahobucks
exactly
and so many hear me going "VOTE ASSHOLES" and think i'm saying "only vote, do nothing else"
no! not what i'm saying
do all the good things. protest, strike, etc
*and* vote
that is my message
meanwhile there are people out there saying "do all the good things *except* vote"
that is so fucking stupid
or an outright agent provocateur psyop from MAGA or geopolitical troll farm cosplaying left
voting is just another valid tactic
that's it!
@benroyce @LilithMonkey @HakeemG @idahobucks
Voting is necessary but not sufficient. Other things that people should do to the extent that they can:
•Contact Congressional Reps with their concerns
•Peacefully protest (No Kings)
•Join and donate to major litigants against the regime (ACLU, NAACP's LDF, etc.)
•Donate to Democratic candidates
•Write an OpEd to your local news outlet if you have one
•Volunteer (e.g., Swing Left, Indivisible, Red2Blue, etc.) -
@benroyce @LilithMonkey @HakeemG @idahobucks
Voting is necessary but not sufficient. Other things that people should do to the extent that they can:
•Contact Congressional Reps with their concerns
•Peacefully protest (No Kings)
•Join and donate to major litigants against the regime (ACLU, NAACP's LDF, etc.)
•Donate to Democratic candidates
•Write an OpEd to your local news outlet if you have one
•Volunteer (e.g., Swing Left, Indivisible, Red2Blue, etc.)@Bongolian @LilithMonkey @HakeemG @idahobucks
of course
but we must now clarify that "voting is necessary but not sufficient" becomes "voting is not sufficient" becomes "i'm not voting"
not in your mind
but in the mind of certain entitled losers
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@benroyce @mastodonmigration @moz @idahobucks
"If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice."Rush, Free Will
@Perrin42 I think about this lyric quite often.
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@Wyatt_H_Knott @moz @idahobucks
nonvoters are as bad as MAGA
they don't fall for the same psyop, they fall for a different psyop than the one played on MAGA, but coming from the same agenda
that agenda is: goose the right vote, suppress the left vote
so for MAGA they give excitement, encouragement, support
for the left they give helplessness, scorn, defeatism
and it fucking works
*because* so many on the left don't have a fucking backbone
@benroyce
It's only a shame that, if the 2024 autopsy rumors would be correct, the Democrats [were] supressing their own voters. -
@benroyce
It's only a shame that, if the 2024 autopsy rumors would be correct, the Democrats [were] supressing their own voters.@dzwiedziu @Wyatt_H_Knott @moz @idahobucks
i reject that topic
the #democrat establishment is a red herring
anyone not acting, on the basis of spineless #democrats, is a moron
#Mamdani showed us:
you show up in the #primaries, reject #Cuomo
then show up in the general #election, reject Cuomo again
get the real left in power
all the while dem central is hostile to Mamdani
that should excite people!
if instead people whine about the establishment and don't #vote, they are weak losers
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@benroyce
It's only a shame that, if the 2024 autopsy rumors would be correct, the Democrats [were] supressing their own voters.@dzwiedziu @benroyce @Wyatt_H_Knott @moz @idahobucks
Clowns can't distinguish between "suppressing their own voters"
and
STRATEGY.I assure you, people who liked the idea of Bernie also liked the idea of Fetterman
(and I say this as someone who did vote for Bernie in the primary. But nah, HE couldn't get it done because HE IS BAD AT POLITICS)
"being visibly popular" is only half the job. Maybe less.
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@dzwiedziu @benroyce @Wyatt_H_Knott @moz @idahobucks
Clowns can't distinguish between "suppressing their own voters"
and
STRATEGY.I assure you, people who liked the idea of Bernie also liked the idea of Fetterman
(and I say this as someone who did vote for Bernie in the primary. But nah, HE couldn't get it done because HE IS BAD AT POLITICS)
"being visibly popular" is only half the job. Maybe less.
@jrm4 I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but he kind of was, no? He knew how to get primary votes in certain parts of the country, but not the South.
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@dzwiedziu @Wyatt_H_Knott @moz @idahobucks
i reject that topic
the #democrat establishment is a red herring
anyone not acting, on the basis of spineless #democrats, is a moron
#Mamdani showed us:
you show up in the #primaries, reject #Cuomo
then show up in the general #election, reject Cuomo again
get the real left in power
all the while dem central is hostile to Mamdani
that should excite people!
if instead people whine about the establishment and don't #vote, they are weak losers
@benroyce If you primary out enough of the Bluedog “moderates” and conservative Dems, eventually they ain’t the establishment. They can go try to make the GOP less of an open sewer if they want…
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the problem is always there
defeating fascism is not "yay we won!" then it is all over forever. that is what is naive
it requires people to constantly vote and constantly show up
and so that is naive on my part:
that so many people "on the left" have the constitution and resolve to just fucking vote, something easy to do- relatively speaking compared to other forms of struggle
and that is the failure:
loser assholes who don't vote
they let us all down
Voting tactically on a lesser evil is better than not voting at all. But
Overton's window shifting is a real thing. And last election's bad option may be the lesser evil of the next.
Average electoral district for the Representatives is around .76 million people. Successful campaign inherently requires a lot of money, connections and favours. This favours corporate candidates over progressives and coincidentally older candidates.
Last but not least i don't think US can vote itself out of the current kerfuffle.
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Voting tactically on a lesser evil is better than not voting at all. But
Overton's window shifting is a real thing. And last election's bad option may be the lesser evil of the next.
Average electoral district for the Representatives is around .76 million people. Successful campaign inherently requires a lot of money, connections and favours. This favours corporate candidates over progressives and coincidentally older candidates.
Last but not least i don't think US can vote itself out of the current kerfuffle.
i don't give a fuck
all there is the good fight in this world
then you can build on it IF YOU SHOW THE WILL TO FIGHT
if you spend your fucking time making arguments for how the fight is pointless, you might as well walk up to a fascist and ask them to put you in the concentration camp now
is that really what you want?
no?
so FIGHT, fucker
NO to fucking stupid weak bullshit rationalizing defeat!
FIGHT
