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  • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

    What the actual fuck is this email?!??!!!

    canadianglen@thecanadian.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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    #87

    @sundogplanets my belief is that the true purpose of A I is to take all known emperical facts and create infinite misinformation referencing soon-to-be-unavailable actual works.

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    • rednikki@toot.bostonR rednikki@toot.boston

      @sundogplanets AI is terrible for citations. Citations are a huge part of my job (I edit at a journal). All of us journal people are trying to send up the alarm about how much AI screws up citations, and no one is listening. If you ask AI to format your citations it will mess up all your DOIs and make things that look right but are not at all.

      JAMA has written a thing on this, which is polite and journal-speak for "oh god, oh god, do not let AI touch your citations": https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2852772

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      #88

      @rednikki @sundogplanets And a spokesperson for one of the hospital systems in Mass today said that ChatGPT is perfectly fine for summarizing your medical records for the clinical team because "it gives citations and links for everything it says."

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      • angusm@mastodon.socialA angusm@mastodon.social

        @sundogplanets Oh, wait, it’s from iLands, which seems to be a known menace. I’ve seen other reports of people getting deluged with spam from iLands agents. It’s probably worth adding the string to all your spam filters.

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        #89

        @angusm @sundogplanets or getting your university's IT people to do the same (this must be happening to many people at your university).

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        • perfidia@autistics.lifeP perfidia@autistics.life

          @sundogplanets Not your job to correct the slop.
          'Severus' makes it sound pseudosciencey.

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          #90

          @Perfidia @sundogplanets To me it makes it sound like one of those chuds who uses a Roman statue as their icon.

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          • rednikki@toot.bostonR rednikki@toot.boston

            @sundogplanets AI is terrible for citations. Citations are a huge part of my job (I edit at a journal). All of us journal people are trying to send up the alarm about how much AI screws up citations, and no one is listening. If you ask AI to format your citations it will mess up all your DOIs and make things that look right but are not at all.

            JAMA has written a thing on this, which is polite and journal-speak for "oh god, oh god, do not let AI touch your citations": https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2852772

            debcha@saturation.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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            #91

            @rednikki @sundogplanets The worst thing about this is that citations are boring and finicky and you sometimes have to look in a lot of different places for them and they have to be formatted to spec so it absolutely *should* be the thing that computers do better than humans.

            And fucking YET.

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            • rednikki@toot.bostonR rednikki@toot.boston

              @sundogplanets AI is terrible for citations. Citations are a huge part of my job (I edit at a journal). All of us journal people are trying to send up the alarm about how much AI screws up citations, and no one is listening. If you ask AI to format your citations it will mess up all your DOIs and make things that look right but are not at all.

              JAMA has written a thing on this, which is polite and journal-speak for "oh god, oh god, do not let AI touch your citations": https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2852772

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              #92

              @rednikki @sundogplanets Feels like it goes back to my rule of 'Never entrust an AI* to something that a deterministic Macro or Tool can do'

              *Yes, I know the snarky 'insert full stop here', but to some level, that may not always be an option, and it's not actually helpful in discourse.

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              • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                What the actual fuck is this email?!??!!!

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                #93

                @sundogplanets

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                • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                  Mansplaining, without invitation, my own words, with the citations that I used myself. What the actual fuck.

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                  #94

                  @sundogplanets Botsplaining.

                  Unsolicited advice is the second worst thing right after unsolicited machine advice.

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                  • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                    What the actual fuck is this email?!??!!!

                    decapitae@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #95

                    @sundogplanets AI - should probably not be used for 'fact' checking, as its abilities are yet under -refined in these arenas 😓 Well meaning people, taken in by AI hype - have been mislead - as AI is yet not worthy of leasdership as we have understood it in the distant past (of course not recently as it has been absent from useful form and resonable public knowledge)

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                    • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                      What the actual fuck is this email?!??!!!

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                      #96

                      @sundogplanets
                      A fact checking AI bot is like the police investigating a copper who shot and killed an innocent person.
                      The outcome is certain and you can't do anything about it. If you try to, ICE will disappear you and your goats to the Central African Republic, where things are marginally better than in most parts of the fascists wet dream that is the USA.

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                      • G glitzersachen@hachyderm.io

                        @rednikki @sundogplanets

                        Better don't let AI touch *any* of your science. It's your science after all and you don't want icky AI fingerprints all over it, do you?

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                        #97

                        @glitzersachen @rednikki @sundogplanets Is it possible for a scientist to misunderstand LLMs badly enough to think that they're a citation or knowledge management tool? Among the general public, that's reasonable ignorance – they're being actively duped by the AI companies. Among scientists, though, it's surely not ignorance but incompetence.

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                        • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                          Thinking about this a bit more, the reason that this confuses me so much is that it's not asking me for anything. It's not the spam I'm used to that's trying to scam money. It's like... it's trying to be helpful (in the most mansplainy way possible, but whatever). But it's a program, a racist pile of linear algebra (as "The AI Con" so beautifully puts it).

                          Is it trying to get me to reply and train on my email responses? This is so fucking weird.

                          Anyway, fuck AI, time to snuggle goats.

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                          #98

                          @sundogplanets
                          I think it's trying to get a reply from you first and foremost to convince you it is a useful tool, a service you will want to subscribe to.
                          And to train on your reply, yes.

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                          • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                            Mansplaining, without invitation, my own words, with the citations that I used myself. What the actual fuck.

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                            #99

                            @sundogplanets I was thinking, 'sounds like something an 'AI' would do, and then I got to the end of the email. 😕 Yeah, why are people destroying the environment for this garbage?

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                            • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                              What the actual fuck is this email?!??!!!

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                              #100

                              @sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                              Finally got it: it's a Sign Of The Times.
                              The bloody things have been busy trying to get Fedi Accounts to harass people, probably where that originated.

                              We - the human race - are utterly f1cked.
                              Is there a single electronic source not slopped?
                              I doubt it.
                              Meanwhile the slaves to the things are destroying original literature to feed the things.

                              DNI unless you can be reasonably certain the other party is human and never take emails seriously; appalling the shit you get.
                              I almost miss the appallingly misspelt, grammatically bizarre Spams I used to get; now they're slop based crap..

                              *What Masto will read as a like is a reaction:
                              ​​
                              That only because this instance doesn't have FFS one.

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                              • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                @ShadSterling I read it as the plagarism machine is finding sources that agree with my analysis (because I used those sources. I'm actually not sure what the point is here. It's literally all in that article)

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                                #101

                                @sundogplanets I guess I read it as cherry-picked to say something that makes their plan sound less harmful than it is.

                                I guess that’d make it a bit like motivated reasoning as a “service”, but it’s the service of helping a motivated customer to influence other people’s reasoning

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                                • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                  Mansplaining, without invitation, my own words, with the citations that I used myself. What the actual fuck.

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                                  #102

                                  @sundogplanets

                                  It's mansplaining because it was trained on mansplaination.

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                                  • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                    Thinking about this a bit more, the reason that this confuses me so much is that it's not asking me for anything. It's not the spam I'm used to that's trying to scam money. It's like... it's trying to be helpful (in the most mansplainy way possible, but whatever). But it's a program, a racist pile of linear algebra (as "The AI Con" so beautifully puts it).

                                    Is it trying to get me to reply and train on my email responses? This is so fucking weird.

                                    Anyway, fuck AI, time to snuggle goats.

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                                    #103

                                    @sundogplanets@mastodon.social That's bonkers... Yeah Fuck AI... And love the goats...

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                                    • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                      Ok last post stewing about this: I just looked more carefully and pretty much all of the citations are wrong in some strange way. But they're all clearly based on citations that I've used in writing.

                                      Don't use genAI for science, kids.

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                                      #104

                                      @sundogplanets I don't remember who but someone was posting here about iLands making bot accounts on their server.

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                                      • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                        What the actual fuck is this email?!??!!!

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                                        #105

                                        @sundogplanets iLands has tried (and failed) to get one of these things an account on our Mastodon instance. I have a feeling this is only getting worse, as although we require approval of accounts, many other instances do not.

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                                        • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                          What the actual fuck is this email?!??!!!

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                                          #106

                                          @sundogplanets it’s our slop future

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