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  • xavez@me.dmX xavez@me.dm

    @jwildeboer on top of that there really are legitimate benign reasons to track user behaviour and make improvements to websites and applications, that do require some form of cookies or persistent storage on the user’s device.

    It’s too easy to wave the data brokers and tracking flag, because the cynical truth is that you don’t even need cookies to do that part.

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    #7

    @xavez @jwildeboer it's messed up because the sector failed to explain what cookies can do in a way that policy makers and politicians can comprehend and work with. Saving the advertising income from policy driven disruption was a larger concern, and now we are stuck with the banners (if you don't block them, run a pi-hole, and avoid advertising hell holes).

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    • wsslmn@mastodon.nlW wsslmn@mastodon.nl

      @xavez @jwildeboer it's messed up because the sector failed to explain what cookies can do in a way that policy makers and politicians can comprehend and work with. Saving the advertising income from policy driven disruption was a larger concern, and now we are stuck with the banners (if you don't block them, run a pi-hole, and avoid advertising hell holes).

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      #8

      @wsslmn @jwildeboer yep that’s a part of it for sure. That said if you’re going to pass any law that’s so important, shouldn’t you attempt to understand the thing you’re regulating at a slightly deeper level?

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      • J johnrohde@helvede.net

        @jwildeboer EU is pretty cool and likely the most important thing post WWII Europe have ever done.
        Perfect, F no, but a big step in the right direction.

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        #9

        @johnrohde @jwildeboer OK, thank you for that because it's important perspective that maybe this type of marketing is needed and works (I'm not a fan, it's just so... limp, lol! But I'm also not the target audience, I guess).

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        • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

          Repost from https://todon.eu/@marcohackney/115992340469511552 with ALT text added. Unified chargers, free roaming, travel, study and work everywhere in the EU, simple bank transfers with SEPA and Wero. EU makes life better.

          #ThanksEU

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          #10

          @jwildeboer Norway and the UK have also EU Roaming.

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          • harbeider@mastodon.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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            #11

            @jwildeboer @xavez didn't write *that*, Blocklist Hero.

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            • harbeider@mastodon.socialH harbeider@mastodon.social

              @jwildeboer @xavez didn't write *that*, Blocklist Hero.

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              #12

              @harbeider @jwildeboer indeed I did not 😅 not worth the energy…

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              • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

                Repost from https://todon.eu/@marcohackney/115992340469511552 with ALT text added. Unified chargers, free roaming, travel, study and work everywhere in the EU, simple bank transfers with SEPA and Wero. EU makes life better.

                #ThanksEU

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                #13

                @jwildeboer to some extend, and for people in the EU.

                Don't look at it's borders though....

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                • wiredfire@mstdn.socialW This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #14

                  @jwildeboer Ha! Thing is we already had de facto universal charging in that regardless of if the device itself used micro USB or USB-C or lightening everything went into a charger with a USB-A port on it. Then gear started turning up with cables with USB-C at both ends and folk needed to buy new chargers when their USB-A ones were still perfectly functional. And I refuse to concede the often cited notion that carrying 2-3 wires instead of one (which all worked on a USB-A charger) was a problem 😅

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                  • xavez@me.dmX xavez@me.dm

                    @jwildeboer you can’t possibly know but I understand all of that better than you might think.

                    It’s the implementation that’s the mess. Leaving this to millions of websites was a bad idea. It should have always been a browser preference. One exists and could have been adapted.

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                    #15

                    @xavez @jwildeboer Are you complaining about the regulation or the enforcement of the regulation?

                    Where in the regulation does it say ”you have to show annoying buttons to all your users and try to trick them into pressing the wrong button”?

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                    • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

                      Repost from https://todon.eu/@marcohackney/115992340469511552 with ALT text added. Unified chargers, free roaming, travel, study and work everywhere in the EU, simple bank transfers with SEPA and Wero. EU makes life better.

                      #ThanksEU

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                      #16

                      @jwildeboer Also, regulating banks a lot is right on point.

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                      • xavez@me.dmX xavez@me.dm

                        @jwildeboer you can’t possibly know but I understand all of that better than you might think.

                        It’s the implementation that’s the mess. Leaving this to millions of websites was a bad idea. It should have always been a browser preference. One exists and could have been adapted.

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                        #17

                        @xavez @jwildeboer

                        It’s the implementation that’s the mess

                        Adversarial compliance is.

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                        • wiredfire@mstdn.socialW wiredfire@mstdn.social

                          @jwildeboer Ha! Thing is we already had de facto universal charging in that regardless of if the device itself used micro USB or USB-C or lightening everything went into a charger with a USB-A port on it. Then gear started turning up with cables with USB-C at both ends and folk needed to buy new chargers when their USB-A ones were still perfectly functional. And I refuse to concede the often cited notion that carrying 2-3 wires instead of one (which all worked on a USB-A charger) was a problem 😅

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                          #18

                          @wiredfire @jwildeboer The really nice thing is that you don’t require everyone else to have 3 cables when you need to borrow their charger.

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                          • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

                            Repost from https://todon.eu/@marcohackney/115992340469511552 with ALT text added. Unified chargers, free roaming, travel, study and work everywhere in the EU, simple bank transfers with SEPA and Wero. EU makes life better.

                            #ThanksEU

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                            #19

                            @jwildeboer tbh i wish less people would die in the mediterranian and north afrika. i even would use ten different chargers to archive that.
                            They are two sides of the same medal, and i think it's important to see both.

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                            • nachtpfoetchen@eldritch.cafeN nachtpfoetchen@eldritch.cafe

                              @jwildeboer tbh i wish less people would die in the mediterranian and north afrika. i even would use ten different chargers to archive that.
                              They are two sides of the same medal, and i think it's important to see both.

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                              #20

                              @nachtpfoetchen @jwildeboer yeah, i appreciate some stuff the eu does, but they also do so many terrible things that way too many people don't care about at all

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                              • nachtpfoetchen@eldritch.cafeN nachtpfoetchen@eldritch.cafe

                                @jwildeboer tbh i wish less people would die in the mediterranian and north afrika. i even would use ten different chargers to archive that.
                                They are two sides of the same medal, and i think it's important to see both.

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                                #21

                                @nachtpfoetchen Thank you for accusing me of turning a blind eye to that. You don't know me, but you come in to change the topic. Le sigh. Welcome to my blocklist.

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                                • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

                                  Repost from https://todon.eu/@marcohackney/115992340469511552 with ALT text added. Unified chargers, free roaming, travel, study and work everywhere in the EU, simple bank transfers with SEPA and Wero. EU makes life better.

                                  #ThanksEU

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                                  #22

                                  (It took less than an hour for the first "Yes, but" folks to show up and accuse me of being ignorant of the EU border policies and how we drown refugees in the mediterranean. Thank you for giving me that short moment of peace. Everything I have done and do for refugees is irrelevant to you because you just want to make your point. So. Welcome to my blocklist.)

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                                  • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

                                    (It took less than an hour for the first "Yes, but" folks to show up and accuse me of being ignorant of the EU border policies and how we drown refugees in the mediterranean. Thank you for giving me that short moment of peace. Everything I have done and do for refugees is irrelevant to you because you just want to make your point. So. Welcome to my blocklist.)

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                                    #23

                                    Maybe I should just leave all of this "social" network stuff to those that want to destroy any positive moments and retreat. (I won't. I pity those that seem to be so filled with negativity that there is nothing positive they can ever add here. I will continue to try and hope my mental health won't suffer too much.)

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                                    • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

                                      Maybe I should just leave all of this "social" network stuff to those that want to destroy any positive moments and retreat. (I won't. I pity those that seem to be so filled with negativity that there is nothing positive they can ever add here. I will continue to try and hope my mental health won't suffer too much.)

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                                      #24

                                      @jwildeboer

                                      please not - don’t let them win…

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                                      • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

                                        Maybe I should just leave all of this "social" network stuff to those that want to destroy any positive moments and retreat. (I won't. I pity those that seem to be so filled with negativity that there is nothing positive they can ever add here. I will continue to try and hope my mental health won't suffer too much.)

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                                        #25

                                        @jwildeboer yes, but then they win...

                                        Oh shit 😰

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                                        • ahltorp@mastodon.nuA ahltorp@mastodon.nu

                                          @wiredfire @jwildeboer The really nice thing is that you don’t require everyone else to have 3 cables when you need to borrow their charger.

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                                          #26

                                          @ahltorp @jwildeboer which is nice but not hugely common and probably not something to base a whole regulation around 😉

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