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  • uweb@troet.cafeU uweb@troet.cafe

    @MarkHoltom

    It wasn't just the elites who failed. Young people in the past made the same mistakes as all young people before them, and they will continue to make them today. Changing something doesn't necessarily mean improving it. Recognizing patterns and parallels requires experience. But with experience, one loses youthful naiveté. While one makes fewer mistakes, one also has less energy and hope to do things right.

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    #5

    @uweb @MarkHoltom so what you’re saying is we shouldn’t have had the new trilogy? Hehe.

    Seriously though, as much as people don’t like it, it proves your point, in universe.

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    • uweb@troet.cafeU uweb@troet.cafe

      @MarkHoltom

      So, despite this, you still hope that young people will do it better, not just differently.

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      #6

      @uweb @MarkHoltom

      I don’t see any significant differences in the political opinion of the younger people than in other age areas.
      So if you’re waiting for the young generation to fix the problems the elder created, you’re waiting for Godot.

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      • _ryekdarkener_@mastodon.social_ _ryekdarkener_@mastodon.social

        @uweb @MarkHoltom

        I don’t see any significant differences in the political opinion of the younger people than in other age areas.
        So if you’re waiting for the young generation to fix the problems the elder created, you’re waiting for Godot.

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        #7

        @_RyekDarkener_ @MarkHoltom

        I don't see any significant differences either. And I think the problems caused by older generations are not that different from those they inherited. Similar things are not the same, but the existing differences are minor.

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        • uweb@troet.cafeU uweb@troet.cafe

          @_RyekDarkener_ @MarkHoltom

          I don't see any significant differences either. And I think the problems caused by older generations are not that different from those they inherited. Similar things are not the same, but the existing differences are minor.

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          #8

          @_RyekDarkener_ @MarkHoltom

          In my opinion, anyone who hopes that the younger generation will solve problems better than we did should try to pass on their experience to them more effectively than our parents did to us. The problem, as always, but especially now, is that the world is constantly changing. It's becoming increasingly difficult to prepare someone for the future.

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          • uweb@troet.cafeU uweb@troet.cafe

            @_RyekDarkener_ @MarkHoltom

            I don't see any significant differences either. And I think the problems caused by older generations are not that different from those they inherited. Similar things are not the same, but the existing differences are minor.

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            #9

            @uweb @_RyekDarkener_ @MarkHoltom omfg. it wasnt our generation that invented the idea of it always getting better

            frankly very few ever believed it and then only for a short time

            the naive to pragmatic arc is dead also. kids are born pretty jaded now, if we look at the older kids its about the same. shits bleak and the kids know it.

            and like seriously if anyone raised in the 40/50s thinks they grew up with the same problems I did can eat shit

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            • tehstu@hachyderm.ioT tehstu@hachyderm.io

              @MarkHoltom Most of the incompetent elites were assassinated, and government was disbanded.

              Just to flesh out the story a bit.

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              #10

              @tehstu @MarkHoltom

              Yes, but everything affects everything that follows.
              Translation from another post of mine today:

              ...
              And the stronger the polarization, the less many people question their own position, the means, the side effects, or the short- and long-term consequences.

              The faster and more intense a change is, the larger and more far-reaching the ripples it creates—regardless of one's own size. Nothing lasts forever, but nothing disappears completely either.
              ...

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              • uweb@troet.cafeU uweb@troet.cafe

                @tehstu @MarkHoltom

                Yes, but everything affects everything that follows.
                Translation from another post of mine today:

                ...
                And the stronger the polarization, the less many people question their own position, the means, the side effects, or the short- and long-term consequences.

                The faster and more intense a change is, the larger and more far-reaching the ripples it creates—regardless of one's own size. Nothing lasts forever, but nothing disappears completely either.
                ...

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                #11

                @tehstu @MarkHoltom

                To recognize current indicators and patterns, one should not only know one's own history.

                https://troet.cafe/@uweb/116521516689545772

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                • glassresistor@sfba.socialG glassresistor@sfba.social

                  @uweb @_RyekDarkener_ @MarkHoltom omfg. it wasnt our generation that invented the idea of it always getting better

                  frankly very few ever believed it and then only for a short time

                  the naive to pragmatic arc is dead also. kids are born pretty jaded now, if we look at the older kids its about the same. shits bleak and the kids know it.

                  and like seriously if anyone raised in the 40/50s thinks they grew up with the same problems I did can eat shit

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                  #12

                  @glassresistor @_RyekDarkener_ @MarkHoltom

                  You can kiss my ass!

                  Even though you're thinking in the right direction, you're ignoring reality in favor of a truth that suits you. You're as arrogant and naive as young people always have been. Yes, also me. But you're obviously doing it even you know better. You think you can judge the times before you were born, but people living today, who view the world with more experience than you, wouldn't have a clue.

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                  • uweb@troet.cafeU uweb@troet.cafe

                    @glassresistor @_RyekDarkener_ @MarkHoltom

                    You can kiss my ass!

                    Even though you're thinking in the right direction, you're ignoring reality in favor of a truth that suits you. You're as arrogant and naive as young people always have been. Yes, also me. But you're obviously doing it even you know better. You think you can judge the times before you were born, but people living today, who view the world with more experience than you, wouldn't have a clue.

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                    #13

                    @uweb @glassresistor @_RyekDarkener_ @MarkHoltom This is the sort of banter that really gets us somewhere. Very productive. I know that boomers and Gen X aren't individually responsible, and often, have quite a bit of insight on a number of matters, but, on the other hand, are ignorant of the current hardships of younger generations, because they aren't living them. One thing is for sure, division between generations keeps us from looking up at the people really ruining our lives. The 1%.

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                    • misterstormwing@jorts.horseM misterstormwing@jorts.horse

                      @uweb @glassresistor @_RyekDarkener_ @MarkHoltom This is the sort of banter that really gets us somewhere. Very productive. I know that boomers and Gen X aren't individually responsible, and often, have quite a bit of insight on a number of matters, but, on the other hand, are ignorant of the current hardships of younger generations, because they aren't living them. One thing is for sure, division between generations keeps us from looking up at the people really ruining our lives. The 1%.

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                      #14

                      @MisterStormwing @uweb @glassresistor @MarkHoltom

                      Agreed.

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                      • _ryekdarkener_@mastodon.social_ _ryekdarkener_@mastodon.social

                        @MisterStormwing @uweb @glassresistor @MarkHoltom

                        Agreed.

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                        #15

                        @_RyekDarkener_ @MisterStormwing @uweb @MarkHoltom thanks its really cool to hear folks listening to folks entering middle age

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                          #16

                          @MarkHoltom the "elites" never tried stopping fascism though & in fact helped build the very tools of authoritarianism being lauded as problems now.

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                          • glassresistor@sfba.socialG glassresistor@sfba.social

                            @_RyekDarkener_ @MisterStormwing @uweb @MarkHoltom thanks its really cool to hear folks listening to folks entering middle age

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                            #17

                            @glassresistor @MisterStormwing @uweb @MarkHoltom

                            Listening is a virtue which has come out of fashion sadly. I hope society will reconsider.

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                              #18

                              @MarkHoltom Wah! Stop reframing my childhood so accurately!

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