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  • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    The fact that you can totally:
    - rent your body for modeling
    - rent your body for physical labor
    - rent your brain for "skilled" labor

    But it's illegal or "immoral" to:
    - rent your body for modeling
    - rent your body for physical labor
    - rent your brain for "skilled" labor
    if you add the words "while naked" to it

    ...is fucking ridiculous.

    #SexWorkIsWork #FuckPuritanicalBullshit #FuckThePatriarchy #StopSexShaming

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    • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

      The fact that you can totally:
      - rent your body for modeling
      - rent your body for physical labor
      - rent your brain for "skilled" labor

      But it's illegal or "immoral" to:
      - rent your body for modeling
      - rent your body for physical labor
      - rent your brain for "skilled" labor
      if you add the words "while naked" to it

      ...is fucking ridiculous.

      #SexWorkIsWork #FuckPuritanicalBullshit #FuckThePatriarchy #StopSexShaming

      acb@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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      @alice It’s even worse in Sweden. We have the Scandinavian Model here (buying sexual services is a crime, and sex work is automatically considered exploitation), and because of the consensus-seeking nature of Jante Law society, everybody agrees that this is right, including leftists, liberals and sex workers. (There’s a similar, though perhaps slightly weaker, consensus on Nixonian zero-tolerance drug laws.)

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        @alice It’s even worse in Sweden. We have the Scandinavian Model here (buying sexual services is a crime, and sex work is automatically considered exploitation), and because of the consensus-seeking nature of Jante Law society, everybody agrees that this is right, including leftists, liberals and sex workers. (There’s a similar, though perhaps slightly weaker, consensus on Nixonian zero-tolerance drug laws.)

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        #3

        @acb @alice In Germany it’s perfectly legal and considered normal to harass a masseur by asking them for sexual services. I have seen this happen to people I know and care about. Why am I the baddie for not wanting this to be legal?

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        • ahltorp@mastodon.nuA ahltorp@mastodon.nu

          @acb @alice In Germany it’s perfectly legal and considered normal to harass a masseur by asking them for sexual services. I have seen this happen to people I know and care about. Why am I the baddie for not wanting this to be legal?

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          @ahltorp @acb @alice in my experience legal full service sex work vastly reduces the issue you lay out above.

          When full service is fully legal and above board, people who want that simply go to where that's openly offered.

          If they request an illegal on-the-side service in a non-brothel venue in a place where legal brothels exist (they still do, just less often), then they have no excuse. There's no plausible deniability in "well I thought this was a secret illegal brothel since brothels are illegal so I thought I was allowed to ask about sex". It's a very clear cut case of sexual harassment.

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            @ahltorp @acb @alice in my experience legal full service sex work vastly reduces the issue you lay out above.

            When full service is fully legal and above board, people who want that simply go to where that's openly offered.

            If they request an illegal on-the-side service in a non-brothel venue in a place where legal brothels exist (they still do, just less often), then they have no excuse. There's no plausible deniability in "well I thought this was a secret illegal brothel since brothels are illegal so I thought I was allowed to ask about sex". It's a very clear cut case of sexual harassment.

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            @coolandnormal @acb @alice @LukefromDC In Germany sex work is legal. This is exactly what leads to people just casually soliciting it. Putting the blame on the masseur themselves for not having a sign (there was a sign) is clearly victim blaming, and there is no recourse whatsoever for them, because the client has done nothing wrong: they were ”just asking”.

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            • ahltorp@mastodon.nuA ahltorp@mastodon.nu

              @coolandnormal @acb @alice @LukefromDC In Germany sex work is legal. This is exactly what leads to people just casually soliciting it. Putting the blame on the masseur themselves for not having a sign (there was a sign) is clearly victim blaming, and there is no recourse whatsoever for them, because the client has done nothing wrong: they were ”just asking”.

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              @ahltorp @coolandnormal @acb @alice @LukefromDC Even if this was true, and I highly doubt it, I'd take occasional "client is stupid and requests sex work during a normal massage" over "sex workers are often getting trafficked, abused and sometimes murdered", which happens way more when it's illegal.

              Also, as someone else said, what you described will happen way more often when sex work is illegal, because no one will know which massage places offer illegal services. And it will be more dangerous for workers in those that do, because if they report an abusive client, they will admit to crime.

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