Hmmm

[jon@gruene.social]

@partim I have been to both - the castle and the ferry. But in c. 2005!

[jon@gruene.social]

OK, these are the "ideas"/ "plans" for new #CrossBorderRail lines in Europe where the location of the border crossing is new

Bussoleno - St Jean de Maurienne (Torino-Lyon)
Grafing - Langkampfen (Brenner Nordzulauf)
Heidenau-Süd - Ústí nad Labem západ (Future HSL Berlin-Praha)
Helsingør - Helsingborg (Fixed link idea)
Helsinki - Tallinn (Rail Baltica tunnel)
Innsbruck - Fortezza (Brenner Base Tunnel)
Mszana - Bohumín (CZ-PL CPK)
Mockava - Trakiszki (Rail Baltica)

[jon@gruene.social]

I am not interested - for now! - in the likelihood these happen, but simply I am trying to add to my map all the possible new ones!

See the categories

Other (19)
Other - not visited (7)

Here: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-all-the-borders_935041#5/51.686180/-0.329590

[jon@gruene.social]

And as ever I am trying to list the first/last stations either side of the border, as is the way I have listed every other border on the map

[elba013@muenchen.social]

@jon

https://www.myway.de/souvenirs/oeresund/index.html --> Öresund Rundt

[stoori@polyglot.city]

@jon There have also been talks about Vaasa (FI) - Umeå (SE) connection and Turku (FI) - Mariehamn (Åland) - Stockholm connection, both combining bridges, tunnels and open land rails. The first one of these is probably a bit more likely, but they're both wildly speculative

[jon@gruene.social]

@Stoori True. Hmmm. Those are both even more silly than a Helsinki-Tallinn tunnel, so maybe I can avoid those ones?

[jon@gruene.social]

Meanwhile at Berlin Südkreuz only +10

Given the border control delay, and snow, that’s damned good!

[stoori@polyglot.city]

@jon i guess so. tho Vaasa-Umeå ferry is the most relaxing ferry crossing i've ever been on, and i generally hate finnish ferries as they are full of drunk partygoers (whereas on this one they're absent), so i can honestly recommend it

[acb@mastodon.social]

@jon Are the proposed Sweden-Finland tunnel crossing the Gulf of Bothnia via Åland and/or the hypothetical eastern alternative to the Fehmarn Belt tunnel going between Gedser and Rostock too far-fetched to qualify?

[jon@gruene.social]

@acb Those are too far fetched I think yes

[shantara@mastodon.social]

@jon The HH fixed link has been under discussion for decades. IIRC the main issue was the lack of the space needed on the Danish side, where existing railway line and ferry terminal are sandwiched in between the historic city center and the coast.

[ignaloidas@not.acu.lt]

@jon@gruene.social I think Mockava - Trakiszki is a bit funny to include when it only moves by ~300 meters

[jon@gruene.social]

@ignaloidas right. But it’ll still be added!

[ignaloidas@not.acu.lt]

@jon@gruene.social I personally see that portion of it as a reconstruction/straightening of the existing line rather than something new

[vorortanleiter@rail.chat]

@jon @wrzlbrnft there used to be a Ostrava - Warszawa train (early morning from Ostrava, back in the evening) which bypassed Bohumin, if I remember correctly.
Currently this train (EC 110/111) starts/terminates only at Bohumin.

[jon@gruene.social]

@vorortanleiter @wrzlbrnft it seems the Regiojet Warszawa - Praha takes that curve. Bypassing Bohumin.

[jon@gruene.social]

@elba013.bsky.social Not quite the same but close https://www.flickr.com/photos/jonworth-eu/52920010778/in/album-72177720307617222 I have been there!

[vermeer@mstdn.social]

@jon would a bridge tunnel there make sense? I could imagine the location being interesting for freight. But how much is Copenhagen-Malmö at capacity?

[leo_wallentin@mastodon.social]

@vermeer @jon there are at least two competing proposals (Helsingborg-Helsingör and Landskrona-Copenhagen), a number of prestudies and quite some local lobbying for a fixed link there, but no real work being done on a national level (on either side) since maybe 2020 or so. Malmö-Copenhagen is expected to reach max capacity before too long