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  • ameel@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
    ameel@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    This is really cool.

    Switzerland bolted 5,000 solar panels onto a dam wall 8,000 feet up in the freezing Alps where everyone said solar made no sense, and the plant now makes three times more winter power than any farm down in the valleys https://www.ecoportal.net/en/switzerland-5000-alpine-solar-muttsee-dam-winter-power/28487/

    #SolarPower #RenewableEnergy #switzerland

    samerion@mastodon.gamedev.placeS kathmandu@stranger.socialK flicka@ohai.socialF angelo@mastodon.digitaladriatic.euA S 12 Replies Last reply
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    • ameel@mastodon.socialA ameel@mastodon.social

      This is really cool.

      Switzerland bolted 5,000 solar panels onto a dam wall 8,000 feet up in the freezing Alps where everyone said solar made no sense, and the plant now makes three times more winter power than any farm down in the valleys https://www.ecoportal.net/en/switzerland-5000-alpine-solar-muttsee-dam-winter-power/28487/

      #SolarPower #RenewableEnergy #switzerland

      samerion@mastodon.gamedev.placeS This user is from outside of this forum
      samerion@mastodon.gamedev.placeS This user is from outside of this forum
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      #2

      @ameel This article smells AI generated. The formatting is very strange, important details are buried, the photo is not credited, and the Muttsee dam doesn't look anything like the dam in the photo.

      Actual article & photo: https://www.reuters.com/business/sustainable-business/switzerlands-solar-dam-sun-snow-perfect-mix-green-energy-drive-2023-02-06/

      groberschnitzer@graz.socialG roadskater@mastodon.socialR alsy@theforkiverse.comA ameel@mastodon.socialA 4 Replies Last reply
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      • ameel@mastodon.socialA ameel@mastodon.social

        This is really cool.

        Switzerland bolted 5,000 solar panels onto a dam wall 8,000 feet up in the freezing Alps where everyone said solar made no sense, and the plant now makes three times more winter power than any farm down in the valleys https://www.ecoportal.net/en/switzerland-5000-alpine-solar-muttsee-dam-winter-power/28487/

        #SolarPower #RenewableEnergy #switzerland

        kathmandu@stranger.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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        #3

        @ameel

        Oh, that's a good idea for "where can we put more solar panels?".

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        • ameel@mastodon.socialA ameel@mastodon.social

          This is really cool.

          Switzerland bolted 5,000 solar panels onto a dam wall 8,000 feet up in the freezing Alps where everyone said solar made no sense, and the plant now makes three times more winter power than any farm down in the valleys https://www.ecoportal.net/en/switzerland-5000-alpine-solar-muttsee-dam-winter-power/28487/

          #SolarPower #RenewableEnergy #switzerland

          flicka@ohai.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
          flicka@ohai.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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          #4

          @ameel

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          • ameel@mastodon.socialA ameel@mastodon.social

            This is really cool.

            Switzerland bolted 5,000 solar panels onto a dam wall 8,000 feet up in the freezing Alps where everyone said solar made no sense, and the plant now makes three times more winter power than any farm down in the valleys https://www.ecoportal.net/en/switzerland-5000-alpine-solar-muttsee-dam-winter-power/28487/

            #SolarPower #RenewableEnergy #switzerland

            angelo@mastodon.digitaladriatic.euA This user is from outside of this forum
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            #5

            @ameel please, Italian politicians, take note!

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            • ameel@mastodon.socialA ameel@mastodon.social

              This is really cool.

              Switzerland bolted 5,000 solar panels onto a dam wall 8,000 feet up in the freezing Alps where everyone said solar made no sense, and the plant now makes three times more winter power than any farm down in the valleys https://www.ecoportal.net/en/switzerland-5000-alpine-solar-muttsee-dam-winter-power/28487/

              #SolarPower #RenewableEnergy #switzerland

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              shadsterling@mastodon.social
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              #6

              @ameel why wouldn’t putting solar panels in the sun make sense?

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              • ameel@mastodon.socialA ameel@mastodon.social

                This is really cool.

                Switzerland bolted 5,000 solar panels onto a dam wall 8,000 feet up in the freezing Alps where everyone said solar made no sense, and the plant now makes three times more winter power than any farm down in the valleys https://www.ecoportal.net/en/switzerland-5000-alpine-solar-muttsee-dam-winter-power/28487/

                #SolarPower #RenewableEnergy #switzerland

                quantensalat@scicomm.xyzQ This user is from outside of this forum
                quantensalat@scicomm.xyzQ This user is from outside of this forum
                quantensalat@scicomm.xyz
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                #7

                @ameel Cold temperatures make photovoltaics more efficient, too.

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                • fluffydotorg@sfba.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #8

                  @pewnack @samerion @ameel OH SWEET JEEBUS maps shows the dam as much more gentle than the photo in the arcile. Satellite images don't lie. This screenshot wasn't difficult, this isn't hard.

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                  • samerion@mastodon.gamedev.placeS This user is from outside of this forum
                    samerion@mastodon.gamedev.placeS This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #9

                    @pewnack @ameel The whole article is written in a way very typical for AI generation.

                    I cannot find any AI artifacts on the image itself, but a reverse image search brings no other results, and that does not appear to be a picture of the dam mentioned.

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                    • samerion@mastodon.gamedev.placeS samerion@mastodon.gamedev.place

                      @ameel This article smells AI generated. The formatting is very strange, important details are buried, the photo is not credited, and the Muttsee dam doesn't look anything like the dam in the photo.

                      Actual article & photo: https://www.reuters.com/business/sustainable-business/switzerlands-solar-dam-sun-snow-perfect-mix-green-energy-drive-2023-02-06/

                      groberschnitzer@graz.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #10

                      @samerion @ameel Yeah, the picture looking AI generated was the first thing i noticed. The Muttsee dam, probably does not look enough like a "normal dam", for the author.
                      But the numbers and other information seem to be correct or at least plausible.

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                      • ameel@mastodon.socialA ameel@mastodon.social

                        This is really cool.

                        Switzerland bolted 5,000 solar panels onto a dam wall 8,000 feet up in the freezing Alps where everyone said solar made no sense, and the plant now makes three times more winter power than any farm down in the valleys https://www.ecoportal.net/en/switzerland-5000-alpine-solar-muttsee-dam-winter-power/28487/

                        #SolarPower #RenewableEnergy #switzerland

                        adorfer@chaos.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                        adorfer@chaos.social
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                        #11

                        @ameel
                        Thank you for forwarding unchecked(?) AI slop!

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                        • samerion@mastodon.gamedev.placeS samerion@mastodon.gamedev.place

                          @pewnack @ameel The whole article is written in a way very typical for AI generation.

                          I cannot find any AI artifacts on the image itself, but a reverse image search brings no other results, and that does not appear to be a picture of the dam mentioned.

                          roadskater@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #12

                          @samerion @pewnack @ameel Every article on that site is structured the same way. Every sentence is a paragraph and vice versa. Whether that's AI or an in-house style guide, it's F-ing obnoxious. The kind of thing that tells me to never visit the site again.

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                          • quantensalat@scicomm.xyzQ quantensalat@scicomm.xyz

                            @ameel Cold temperatures make photovoltaics more efficient, too.

                            utf_7@mastodon.socialU This user is from outside of this forum
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                            utf_7@mastodon.social
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                            #13

                            @Quantensalat @ameel

                            maga people be like: when its colder there must be less solar, otherwise it would be warm. thats why solar on a mountain is stupid

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                            • samerion@mastodon.gamedev.placeS samerion@mastodon.gamedev.place

                              @pewnack @ameel The whole article is written in a way very typical for AI generation.

                              I cannot find any AI artifacts on the image itself, but a reverse image search brings no other results, and that does not appear to be a picture of the dam mentioned.

                              adorfer@chaos.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #14

                              @samerion @pewnack @ameel
                              the placement of this single maintenance gangway makes absolutely no sense.
                              how many different module sizes in just one row? YES!
                              And the wiring between the rows is (at minimum) not efficient. (or just: non working)
                              In plus there is no reason why anybody would want to place "islands" like this on the wall, aka leaving spots on top empty.
                              and off course, the AI image checker say "99%" certainty that's GenAI.

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                              • samerion@mastodon.gamedev.placeS samerion@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                @ameel This article smells AI generated. The formatting is very strange, important details are buried, the photo is not credited, and the Muttsee dam doesn't look anything like the dam in the photo.

                                Actual article & photo: https://www.reuters.com/business/sustainable-business/switzerlands-solar-dam-sun-snow-perfect-mix-green-energy-drive-2023-02-06/

                                roadskater@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #15

                                @samerion @ameel Curiously, the article in OP's original toot was also just cited on Wikipedia for the Muttsee entry. 🤨

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                                • ameel@mastodon.socialA ameel@mastodon.social

                                  This is really cool.

                                  Switzerland bolted 5,000 solar panels onto a dam wall 8,000 feet up in the freezing Alps where everyone said solar made no sense, and the plant now makes three times more winter power than any farm down in the valleys https://www.ecoportal.net/en/switzerland-5000-alpine-solar-muttsee-dam-winter-power/28487/

                                  #SolarPower #RenewableEnergy #switzerland

                                  crazyeddie@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #16

                                  @ameel That article left me with a burning desire to know why people all said it made no sense, and whether there's any actually any truth to that. Sounds to me like it was just difficult to build but otherwise made perfect fucking sense.

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                                    @ameel why wouldn’t putting solar panels in the sun make sense?

                                    crazyeddie@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #17

                                    @ShadSterling @ameel They'll melt.

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                                    • groberschnitzer@graz.socialG groberschnitzer@graz.social

                                      @samerion @ameel Yeah, the picture looking AI generated was the first thing i noticed. The Muttsee dam, probably does not look enough like a "normal dam", for the author.
                                      But the numbers and other information seem to be correct or at least plausible.

                                      bergmeister@mountains.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #18

                                      @groberschnitzer @samerion @ameel This is the Muttseedam from the ground. Can't comment on the numbers.

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                                      • samerion@mastodon.gamedev.placeS samerion@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                        @ameel This article smells AI generated. The formatting is very strange, important details are buried, the photo is not credited, and the Muttsee dam doesn't look anything like the dam in the photo.

                                        Actual article & photo: https://www.reuters.com/business/sustainable-business/switzerlands-solar-dam-sun-snow-perfect-mix-green-energy-drive-2023-02-06/

                                        alsy@theforkiverse.comA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #19

                                        @samerion @ameel Yep, I think you’re right (Pangram is very, very effective. More than the previous iterations of AI detectors).

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                                        • crazyeddie@mastodon.socialC crazyeddie@mastodon.social

                                          @ameel That article left me with a burning desire to know why people all said it made no sense, and whether there's any actually any truth to that. Sounds to me like it was just difficult to build but otherwise made perfect fucking sense.

                                          ameel@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #20

                                          @crazyeddie I think people have a knee-jerk reaction to things that haven't been done before. They'll keep telling you the return on investment isn't there until you actually do it and prove that these difficult-to-install solar panels work MUCH better in winter than the ones installed in the lowlands. Also, according to the Axpo group website, this is very much a proof-of-concept project in which they're testing to see what does or doesn't work. I'm very glad this is working for them!

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