Over the weekend, 17,000 people canceled their #WorldCup tickets
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@benroyce @martintheg @ikuturso @lynfox I don’t think Martin is saying that.
@Huntn00 @martintheg @ikuturso @lynfox
just looking for clarification
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@Nawer_Rapter @aprilfollies @lynfox
well it's a sliding scale, it's not all or nothing
they get away with as much as they can get away with. and the idea is to not make it easy for them to get away with it
@benroyce @aprilfollies @lynfox yeah the thing is what does it mean "not make It easy" in the context of the country of guns and oligarchy
I would bet the moves that actually made some backlash are more related to non-organized targeting of key objectives in that context.
Namely CEO erradication did have a surprising impact
The thing is that the far-right normalized and accepted violence and killing as a tool, legitimized even,and the left are taught not to kill even if they're erradicated,sadly -
@dnkboston @benroyce @PaulaToThePeople @bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox agreed. And it's been a media, or at least a good part of the media, that has been promoting the 'they're all the same so why bother' message for a long time now.
@capnthommo I was listening to an interview from 1977 this morning between Studs Terkel and Michael Harrington and Ralph Helstein. Harrington was of course critical of the Democrats, but as he pointed out, all of the people who want positive change, for whatever reason, were in the Democratic Party. Yeah, Carter was lousy, but Reagan was worse by a factor of a hundred.
Do we have corrupt leadership? Yes, but that's not why we joined.
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@benroyce @aprilfollies @lynfox yeah the thing is what does it mean "not make It easy" in the context of the country of guns and oligarchy
I would bet the moves that actually made some backlash are more related to non-organized targeting of key objectives in that context.
Namely CEO erradication did have a surprising impact
The thing is that the far-right normalized and accepted violence and killing as a tool, legitimized even,and the left are taught not to kill even if they're erradicated,sadly@benroyce @aprilfollies @lynfox it's a fucked up situation and right now the best chance we have (in the world) to see USA getting out of It is that the far right is stupid enough to start killing eachother at some point.
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@benroyce @aprilfollies @lynfox yeah the thing is what does it mean "not make It easy" in the context of the country of guns and oligarchy
I would bet the moves that actually made some backlash are more related to non-organized targeting of key objectives in that context.
Namely CEO erradication did have a surprising impact
The thing is that the far-right normalized and accepted violence and killing as a tool, legitimized even,and the left are taught not to kill even if they're erradicated,sadly@Nawer_Rapter @aprilfollies @lynfox
if it comes to violence it comes to violence
the problem is getting violent too early, or too late. if too early it can backfire. if too late, you might have already lost
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americans are entitled and indolent
so they don't vote, they can't be bothered. they invent bullshit "high minded" rationalizations for their complacency
given that a general strike is even more unlikely
revolution happens when people are hungry. there is hunger in the usa, but enough have access to enough food it makes uprising unlikely. if the economy tanks, you may see it
so the easiest thing, of the difficult things, for lazy americans, is to get off their fucking asses and vote
One thing that cannot be overlooked is the effectiveness of Russian Style Active Measures Political Warfare Propaganda sowing chaos & apathy.
Dr. Timothy Snyder testified at the House Oversight Committee Hearing on China Propaganda. https://www.youtube.com/live/VoQZjUCT6bU
https://youtu.be/Ej_D0YkDjy8Russia, China, & the Iranian terrorist franchises have effectively brainwashed large segments of our "useful idiot" "extreme Left" with propaganda passing through us".
It gave us tRUMP.
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Over the weekend, 17,000 people canceled their #WorldCup tickets
#FIFA is holding an emergency meeting
Maybe they will give Agent Orange another pretty trophy? Maybe bigger, more gold... really sparkly? Will that fix the problem? (/s)
As an American: don't come here
Don't do business with the #USA
Until we clean this shit up. Mainly: we #vote #primaries #primaries2026 and get some real left candidates
https://www.ticketnews.com/2026/01/nearly-17000-fans-cancel-2026-world-cup-tickets-amid-boycott/
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Over the weekend, 17,000 people canceled their #WorldCup tickets
#FIFA is holding an emergency meeting
Maybe they will give Agent Orange another pretty trophy? Maybe bigger, more gold... really sparkly? Will that fix the problem? (/s)
As an American: don't come here
Don't do business with the #USA
Until we clean this shit up. Mainly: we #vote #primaries #primaries2026 and get some real left candidates
https://www.ticketnews.com/2026/01/nearly-17000-fans-cancel-2026-world-cup-tickets-amid-boycott/
@benroyce I was reminded by the radio news this morning that you have the Olympics to boycott in 2028 as well if nothing changes...
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@ikuturso @lynfox @benroyce - Trump will find a way to de-legitimize the results of the mid-terms if Repugnicants lose seats, or preemptively cancel the vote entirely under the guise of a national emergency or declaring war on a country.
He’s already shown he’s not afraid of using his faux-military DHS / ICE / National Guard to quell internal dissent, even with deadly force. And the thugs in those agencies happy to play along.
@bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox @benroyce One ace in the hole could be the military. It’s the agencies that can project force that could unravel the Emperor. I’m not saying it’s likely, just one of the many possibilities.
I’d never look to ICE in this manner because of its rapid buildup of volunteers willing to abuse fellow human beings as a requirement for being hired. ICE will need to be flushed and overhauled, removing its Trump enablers. -
One thing that cannot be overlooked is the effectiveness of Russian Style Active Measures Political Warfare Propaganda sowing chaos & apathy.
Dr. Timothy Snyder testified at the House Oversight Committee Hearing on China Propaganda. https://www.youtube.com/live/VoQZjUCT6bU
https://youtu.be/Ej_D0YkDjy8Russia, China, & the Iranian terrorist franchises have effectively brainwashed large segments of our "useful idiot" "extreme Left" with propaganda passing through us".
It gave us tRUMP.
yup
nonvoters and MAGA are the same in the respect that they are reduced to emotional states and then manipulated when in that state to achieve a voting effect
the effect sought with MAGA is to rile them up and get them to the voting booth
the effect sought with nonvoters is to depress them and make them feel powerless, and suppress the left vote
toxic idealism, mindless cynicism, alienation, learned helplessness, etc:
fodder for the troll psyop
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yup
nonvoters and MAGA are the same in the respect that they are reduced to emotional states and then manipulated when in that state to achieve a voting effect
the effect sought with MAGA is to rile them up and get them to the voting booth
the effect sought with nonvoters is to depress them and make them feel powerless, and suppress the left vote
toxic idealism, mindless cynicism, alienation, learned helplessness, etc:
fodder for the troll psyop
At some point doesn't MAGA hit "anger fatigue"?
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and protests are great, when they are nonviolent
when they are violent, popular sentiment turns against you
@benroyce @aprilfollies @lynfox hmmm. With many millions of people experiencing violence on a constant basis here, Congress and the POTUS ignoring our will, I’m wondering what good is maintaining “popular sentiment” as a protester?
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At some point doesn't MAGA hit "anger fatigue"?
perhaps but i'm not interested in watching the experiment play out. we need to end the experiment early
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@macacator @benroyce @lynfox The real danger point here is when the population starts wholesale shooting back. This is what Humpty wants, and it’s something to be avoided, unless we want the situation to deteriorate and turn into an actual violent uprising.
I won’t insist there isn’t a time and place for shooting, but we’re far from there yet. Once Marshall law is declared, we could be in for a wild ride.
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@benroyce @ikuturso @lynfox - much of the problem is that states *do* run the national elections. In many countries, the vote is handled by an arms-length federal agency. They set electoral borders (not just the state / provincial borders, but ensuring roughly the same number of voters are in each jurisdiction) and they are responsible for the count procedures. US states have a tendency to invent electoral borders to suit their Party of choice. And then there's your Electoral College...
@bazcook @benroyce @ikuturso @lynfox ATPIT, it is very possible that the US will break apart because there are territorial, more red than blue states, but this remains to be seen. As economic conditions, deteriorate under maleficent rule, it’s very possible some of the red will turn purple, even blue, and you might see something approaching a more normal acceptable state of existence that treats the constitution as more than toilet paper.
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@benroyce @aprilfollies @lynfox hmmm. With many millions of people experiencing violence on a constant basis here, Congress and the POTUS ignoring our will, I’m wondering what good is maintaining “popular sentiment” as a protester?
well you want the largest turnout
if it's peaceful a lot turn out
if it's violent, people avoid it
the number of quality streetfighters is quite small
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@benroyce @bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox A bunch of the people who knew how destructive and terrible Pissed Off Americans could be... who spent DECADES going "Let's see if we can just contain these couple of grumps and trust these folks who say they have it handled and know how to keep 'em calm" are now glowing Red, White, and Blue with the flames of apoplexy at the sheer incompetence and unbridled pettyness.
All the "When they go low we go high" folks are now basically going "High road's closed."
@epilonious @benroyce @bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox It was a nice, even good slogan, but the problem is ultimately it only works in civil terms . When we cease to be civil, then destructive force requires counter force. The good slogans can return once civility returns.
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perhaps but i'm not interested in watching the experiment play out. we need to end the experiment early
1000% agree
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@PaulaToThePeople @bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox
that's right
no uprising happens just because someone starts rioting. why are they rioting? what do they stand for? who knows
if people vote, and then the vote is denied, and the people rise up: absolutely everyone is crystal clear as to what is happening and why. so people join in, because they know the message being delivered
so we have to vote first. otherwise there is no coherency of meaning
@benroyce @PaulaToThePeople @bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox People being executed on the street for no reason isn't enough of a cause?? We're just supposed to let that keep happening for ten months until the election??? There won't be anyone left to vote against him!
If people aren't willing to rise up over their friends, family, and neighbors being killed or kidnapped and tortured then I doubt an election is gonna be the thing that does it. I doubt they'll be *cancelled* anyway, even North Korea still has "elections". So it'll be easy for the people who want to ignore what is happening to pretend that the election was fair, to pretend that the ICE agents looking over their shoulders at the polls are legitimate security...if they can ignore folks being shot in the face then they can certainly ignore folks being turned away (or hauled away in cuffs) at the polls.
We've been hearing that the next election is the only chance to stop Trump for nearly a decade now and it's only helped them consolidate their power. The time to stop this motherfucker is NOW, not next fucking year!
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right but we can still vote and elect dems to control congress and freeze his agenda
this whole sentiment "the usa is already nazi germany" is self-defeating: you want trump to lose, right? so why act like he already won everything? trump is not untouchable. why act like he is? do you want to help trump? i don't think so, but that's what your words are doing because you're presenting a fallacious rationale that voting doesn't matter anymore. it still matters
