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  • lana@beige.partyL This user is from outside of this forum
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    As a child of the 80s and 90s, let me tell you how it was in the beforetimes.

    Nobody had to tell us that smartphones were inevitable. Anyone who could afford a mobile phone got one, because a telephone you could carry with you in your pocket solved a clear and distinct social problem.

    Nobody had to tell us that the Internet was inevitable. Anyone who could get online by hook or by crook did it, because access to the internet solved a clear and distinct social problem.

    Nobody had to tell us that email was inevitable. Anyone who could get a yahoo or netzero email address immediately got one. Because almost instantaneous letters that could be sent to anyone in the world solved a clear and distinct social problem.

    You know what they actually did try to tell us was "inevitable"? Robocalls. Phishing sites. Spam. Robocalls that woke you in the middle of the night to sell you car insurance. Phishing sites that looked like your bank but weren't. Spam that clogged up your inbox so bad you couldn't find that one important email you were expecting.

    "AI is inevitable." they say.

    Yep. I've seen this one before. It's inevitable in the way spam is inevitable. As a problem that needs solving. Not as the solution to anything. In the same way phishing sites are inevitable. As the result of criminals using technology to harm society and enrich themselves. In the same way robocalls were inevitable. As the natural result of human greed set loose without legal restrictions or boundaries.

    Sure. AI is inevitable. But we invented Do Not Call registries to combat robocallers. And we invented two factor authentication to combat phishing scams. And we invented the spam filter to combat spam. And someday soon, some bright young woman or man will invent a tool to combat the scourge of AI imitation and fraud. That, too, is inevitable. And then, everybody will get one. And we can all look back and see AI for what it always was. Not a solution, but a problem to be solved.

    mamalake@beige.partyM drsbaitso@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD tiotasram@kolektiva.socialT netzblockierer@tech.lgbtN 8 Replies Last reply
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    • lana@beige.partyL lana@beige.party

      As a child of the 80s and 90s, let me tell you how it was in the beforetimes.

      Nobody had to tell us that smartphones were inevitable. Anyone who could afford a mobile phone got one, because a telephone you could carry with you in your pocket solved a clear and distinct social problem.

      Nobody had to tell us that the Internet was inevitable. Anyone who could get online by hook or by crook did it, because access to the internet solved a clear and distinct social problem.

      Nobody had to tell us that email was inevitable. Anyone who could get a yahoo or netzero email address immediately got one. Because almost instantaneous letters that could be sent to anyone in the world solved a clear and distinct social problem.

      You know what they actually did try to tell us was "inevitable"? Robocalls. Phishing sites. Spam. Robocalls that woke you in the middle of the night to sell you car insurance. Phishing sites that looked like your bank but weren't. Spam that clogged up your inbox so bad you couldn't find that one important email you were expecting.

      "AI is inevitable." they say.

      Yep. I've seen this one before. It's inevitable in the way spam is inevitable. As a problem that needs solving. Not as the solution to anything. In the same way phishing sites are inevitable. As the result of criminals using technology to harm society and enrich themselves. In the same way robocalls were inevitable. As the natural result of human greed set loose without legal restrictions or boundaries.

      Sure. AI is inevitable. But we invented Do Not Call registries to combat robocallers. And we invented two factor authentication to combat phishing scams. And we invented the spam filter to combat spam. And someday soon, some bright young woman or man will invent a tool to combat the scourge of AI imitation and fraud. That, too, is inevitable. And then, everybody will get one. And we can all look back and see AI for what it always was. Not a solution, but a problem to be solved.

      mamalake@beige.partyM This user is from outside of this forum
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      #2

      @Lana looking for the inevitable young women who poison Ai, where are they??

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      • lana@beige.partyL lana@beige.party

        As a child of the 80s and 90s, let me tell you how it was in the beforetimes.

        Nobody had to tell us that smartphones were inevitable. Anyone who could afford a mobile phone got one, because a telephone you could carry with you in your pocket solved a clear and distinct social problem.

        Nobody had to tell us that the Internet was inevitable. Anyone who could get online by hook or by crook did it, because access to the internet solved a clear and distinct social problem.

        Nobody had to tell us that email was inevitable. Anyone who could get a yahoo or netzero email address immediately got one. Because almost instantaneous letters that could be sent to anyone in the world solved a clear and distinct social problem.

        You know what they actually did try to tell us was "inevitable"? Robocalls. Phishing sites. Spam. Robocalls that woke you in the middle of the night to sell you car insurance. Phishing sites that looked like your bank but weren't. Spam that clogged up your inbox so bad you couldn't find that one important email you were expecting.

        "AI is inevitable." they say.

        Yep. I've seen this one before. It's inevitable in the way spam is inevitable. As a problem that needs solving. Not as the solution to anything. In the same way phishing sites are inevitable. As the result of criminals using technology to harm society and enrich themselves. In the same way robocalls were inevitable. As the natural result of human greed set loose without legal restrictions or boundaries.

        Sure. AI is inevitable. But we invented Do Not Call registries to combat robocallers. And we invented two factor authentication to combat phishing scams. And we invented the spam filter to combat spam. And someday soon, some bright young woman or man will invent a tool to combat the scourge of AI imitation and fraud. That, too, is inevitable. And then, everybody will get one. And we can all look back and see AI for what it always was. Not a solution, but a problem to be solved.

        drsbaitso@infosec.exchangeD This user is from outside of this forum
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        #3

        @Lana In the next 24 hours, the sun will rise. That is inevitable, as long as physics and time continue to function as they have for the past 13+ billion years.

        In the next 24 hours, I will need to shit. That is inevitable, as long as I continue living and, consequentially, consuming nutrients. I will do everything in my power to do exactly that.

        Wasting billions of dollars buying up microchips to build broken chatbots based on stolen data that the vast majority of people don't want is not inevitable. That's a choice some people are making to do, and more people are making to not stop them.

        Building a pervasive surveillance state to track every single person to maximize punishment and advertising potential is not inevitable. That's a choice some people are making to abuse the leadership roles they've been granted by the very people they want to abuse. We can and must demonstrate that this abuse is unacceptable.

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        • mamalake@beige.partyM mamalake@beige.party

          @Lana looking for the inevitable young women who poison Ai, where are they??

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          #4

          @MamaLake @Lana could be an old lady too. We're sick of this slop.

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          • kristinhenry@vis.socialK kristinhenry@vis.social

            @MamaLake @Lana could be an old lady too. We're sick of this slop.

            mamalake@beige.partyM This user is from outside of this forum
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            #5

            @kristinHenry @Lana when you find them let them know that I've got music ready for Ai poisoning

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            • lana@beige.partyL lana@beige.party

              As a child of the 80s and 90s, let me tell you how it was in the beforetimes.

              Nobody had to tell us that smartphones were inevitable. Anyone who could afford a mobile phone got one, because a telephone you could carry with you in your pocket solved a clear and distinct social problem.

              Nobody had to tell us that the Internet was inevitable. Anyone who could get online by hook or by crook did it, because access to the internet solved a clear and distinct social problem.

              Nobody had to tell us that email was inevitable. Anyone who could get a yahoo or netzero email address immediately got one. Because almost instantaneous letters that could be sent to anyone in the world solved a clear and distinct social problem.

              You know what they actually did try to tell us was "inevitable"? Robocalls. Phishing sites. Spam. Robocalls that woke you in the middle of the night to sell you car insurance. Phishing sites that looked like your bank but weren't. Spam that clogged up your inbox so bad you couldn't find that one important email you were expecting.

              "AI is inevitable." they say.

              Yep. I've seen this one before. It's inevitable in the way spam is inevitable. As a problem that needs solving. Not as the solution to anything. In the same way phishing sites are inevitable. As the result of criminals using technology to harm society and enrich themselves. In the same way robocalls were inevitable. As the natural result of human greed set loose without legal restrictions or boundaries.

              Sure. AI is inevitable. But we invented Do Not Call registries to combat robocallers. And we invented two factor authentication to combat phishing scams. And we invented the spam filter to combat spam. And someday soon, some bright young woman or man will invent a tool to combat the scourge of AI imitation and fraud. That, too, is inevitable. And then, everybody will get one. And we can all look back and see AI for what it always was. Not a solution, but a problem to be solved.

              david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD This user is from outside of this forum
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              #6

              @Lana

              Nobody had to tell us that the Internet was inevitable

              Bill Gates had to tell us that the Internet was a passing fad and proprietary networks like MSN were inevitable. Windows 95 shipped with an MSN launcher on the desktop but no web browser as a result.

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              • lana@beige.partyL lana@beige.party

                As a child of the 80s and 90s, let me tell you how it was in the beforetimes.

                Nobody had to tell us that smartphones were inevitable. Anyone who could afford a mobile phone got one, because a telephone you could carry with you in your pocket solved a clear and distinct social problem.

                Nobody had to tell us that the Internet was inevitable. Anyone who could get online by hook or by crook did it, because access to the internet solved a clear and distinct social problem.

                Nobody had to tell us that email was inevitable. Anyone who could get a yahoo or netzero email address immediately got one. Because almost instantaneous letters that could be sent to anyone in the world solved a clear and distinct social problem.

                You know what they actually did try to tell us was "inevitable"? Robocalls. Phishing sites. Spam. Robocalls that woke you in the middle of the night to sell you car insurance. Phishing sites that looked like your bank but weren't. Spam that clogged up your inbox so bad you couldn't find that one important email you were expecting.

                "AI is inevitable." they say.

                Yep. I've seen this one before. It's inevitable in the way spam is inevitable. As a problem that needs solving. Not as the solution to anything. In the same way phishing sites are inevitable. As the result of criminals using technology to harm society and enrich themselves. In the same way robocalls were inevitable. As the natural result of human greed set loose without legal restrictions or boundaries.

                Sure. AI is inevitable. But we invented Do Not Call registries to combat robocallers. And we invented two factor authentication to combat phishing scams. And we invented the spam filter to combat spam. And someday soon, some bright young woman or man will invent a tool to combat the scourge of AI imitation and fraud. That, too, is inevitable. And then, everybody will get one. And we can all look back and see AI for what it always was. Not a solution, but a problem to be solved.

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                tiotasram@kolektiva.social
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                #7

                @Lana

                From Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segway_Inc.):

                """
                When it was launched in December 2001, the annual sales target was 40,000 units,[7] and the company expected to sell 50,000 to 100,000 units in the first 13 months.[8] By 2003, the company had sold 6,000 units, and by September 2006 approximately 23,500,[9] when all units sold up to that point were recalled[9] due to a software glitch that could cause the units to reverse, potentially causing riders to fall off.[10] In a March 2009 interview, a company official said the firm "has shipped over 50,000" Segway PTs.[11]

                Segway Inc's investors remained optimistic. Dean Kamen predicted that the Segway "will be to the car what the car was to the horse and buggy"[12] and John Doerr, a venture capitalist who invested in the company,[13] predicted that Segway Inc would be the fastest company to reach US$1 billion in sales.[12]

                By 2007, cumulative sales were 30,000 units.[13] Critics pointed to Segway Inc's silence over its financial performance as an indication that the company was still not profitable, following expenditure of some US$100 million developing the Segway PT.[12]
                """

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                • lana@beige.partyL lana@beige.party

                  As a child of the 80s and 90s, let me tell you how it was in the beforetimes.

                  Nobody had to tell us that smartphones were inevitable. Anyone who could afford a mobile phone got one, because a telephone you could carry with you in your pocket solved a clear and distinct social problem.

                  Nobody had to tell us that the Internet was inevitable. Anyone who could get online by hook or by crook did it, because access to the internet solved a clear and distinct social problem.

                  Nobody had to tell us that email was inevitable. Anyone who could get a yahoo or netzero email address immediately got one. Because almost instantaneous letters that could be sent to anyone in the world solved a clear and distinct social problem.

                  You know what they actually did try to tell us was "inevitable"? Robocalls. Phishing sites. Spam. Robocalls that woke you in the middle of the night to sell you car insurance. Phishing sites that looked like your bank but weren't. Spam that clogged up your inbox so bad you couldn't find that one important email you were expecting.

                  "AI is inevitable." they say.

                  Yep. I've seen this one before. It's inevitable in the way spam is inevitable. As a problem that needs solving. Not as the solution to anything. In the same way phishing sites are inevitable. As the result of criminals using technology to harm society and enrich themselves. In the same way robocalls were inevitable. As the natural result of human greed set loose without legal restrictions or boundaries.

                  Sure. AI is inevitable. But we invented Do Not Call registries to combat robocallers. And we invented two factor authentication to combat phishing scams. And we invented the spam filter to combat spam. And someday soon, some bright young woman or man will invent a tool to combat the scourge of AI imitation and fraud. That, too, is inevitable. And then, everybody will get one. And we can all look back and see AI for what it always was. Not a solution, but a problem to be solved.

                  netzblockierer@tech.lgbtN This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #8

                  @Lana also the problem is how enshittification was allowed, not proactively banned.

                  • Any decent juristion banned #Spampcalls and empowered regulatrs (i.e. @BNetzA ) to kill said #Robocalling & #Spamcalling numbers…
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                  • lana@beige.partyL lana@beige.party

                    As a child of the 80s and 90s, let me tell you how it was in the beforetimes.

                    Nobody had to tell us that smartphones were inevitable. Anyone who could afford a mobile phone got one, because a telephone you could carry with you in your pocket solved a clear and distinct social problem.

                    Nobody had to tell us that the Internet was inevitable. Anyone who could get online by hook or by crook did it, because access to the internet solved a clear and distinct social problem.

                    Nobody had to tell us that email was inevitable. Anyone who could get a yahoo or netzero email address immediately got one. Because almost instantaneous letters that could be sent to anyone in the world solved a clear and distinct social problem.

                    You know what they actually did try to tell us was "inevitable"? Robocalls. Phishing sites. Spam. Robocalls that woke you in the middle of the night to sell you car insurance. Phishing sites that looked like your bank but weren't. Spam that clogged up your inbox so bad you couldn't find that one important email you were expecting.

                    "AI is inevitable." they say.

                    Yep. I've seen this one before. It's inevitable in the way spam is inevitable. As a problem that needs solving. Not as the solution to anything. In the same way phishing sites are inevitable. As the result of criminals using technology to harm society and enrich themselves. In the same way robocalls were inevitable. As the natural result of human greed set loose without legal restrictions or boundaries.

                    Sure. AI is inevitable. But we invented Do Not Call registries to combat robocallers. And we invented two factor authentication to combat phishing scams. And we invented the spam filter to combat spam. And someday soon, some bright young woman or man will invent a tool to combat the scourge of AI imitation and fraud. That, too, is inevitable. And then, everybody will get one. And we can all look back and see AI for what it always was. Not a solution, but a problem to be solved.

                    djgummikuh@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #9

                    @Lana outstanding viewpoint, thank you!

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                    • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                      @Lana

                      Nobody had to tell us that the Internet was inevitable

                      Bill Gates had to tell us that the Internet was a passing fad and proprietary networks like MSN were inevitable. Windows 95 shipped with an MSN launcher on the desktop but no web browser as a result.

                      carstenraddatz@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #10

                      @david_chisnall @Lana Where of course, the Internet outside of the fediverse is mostly exactly that, proprietary platforms you have next to no control over, which to the contrary extend their control over your data beyond your death.

                      Yes, I'm waiting too for the next filter, but I'm not holding my breath.

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                      • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                        @Lana

                        Nobody had to tell us that the Internet was inevitable

                        Bill Gates had to tell us that the Internet was a passing fad and proprietary networks like MSN were inevitable. Windows 95 shipped with an MSN launcher on the desktop but no web browser as a result.

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                        #11

                        @david_chisnall

                        @Lana

                        Various bits of HMG were _convinced_ that this TCP/IP thing was dreadful because it didn't map properly to the seven-layer model and were having none of it.

                        (She wrote in 'X.400 and dealing with vested interests was dreadful')

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                        • lana@beige.partyL lana@beige.party

                          As a child of the 80s and 90s, let me tell you how it was in the beforetimes.

                          Nobody had to tell us that smartphones were inevitable. Anyone who could afford a mobile phone got one, because a telephone you could carry with you in your pocket solved a clear and distinct social problem.

                          Nobody had to tell us that the Internet was inevitable. Anyone who could get online by hook or by crook did it, because access to the internet solved a clear and distinct social problem.

                          Nobody had to tell us that email was inevitable. Anyone who could get a yahoo or netzero email address immediately got one. Because almost instantaneous letters that could be sent to anyone in the world solved a clear and distinct social problem.

                          You know what they actually did try to tell us was "inevitable"? Robocalls. Phishing sites. Spam. Robocalls that woke you in the middle of the night to sell you car insurance. Phishing sites that looked like your bank but weren't. Spam that clogged up your inbox so bad you couldn't find that one important email you were expecting.

                          "AI is inevitable." they say.

                          Yep. I've seen this one before. It's inevitable in the way spam is inevitable. As a problem that needs solving. Not as the solution to anything. In the same way phishing sites are inevitable. As the result of criminals using technology to harm society and enrich themselves. In the same way robocalls were inevitable. As the natural result of human greed set loose without legal restrictions or boundaries.

                          Sure. AI is inevitable. But we invented Do Not Call registries to combat robocallers. And we invented two factor authentication to combat phishing scams. And we invented the spam filter to combat spam. And someday soon, some bright young woman or man will invent a tool to combat the scourge of AI imitation and fraud. That, too, is inevitable. And then, everybody will get one. And we can all look back and see AI for what it always was. Not a solution, but a problem to be solved.

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                          #12

                          @Lana If AI and smartphones were inevitable, then a revolution is also inevitable. If there’s anything we can count on, it’s that humans will always rise up against any kind of domination and suppression. They may not see it now, but they will. Someone else, somewhere else will. And then just as AI and smartphones seemingly happened all at once, the overturn will also happen all at once. It’s a terrifying notion that all of this has happened before and will happen again and again, but when you examine history, that has always been the cycle of humanity since we discovered fire. The only difference is in what you do while the world is burning—do you stand there and wait for it to turn to ash, or do you help expedite it and pour gasoline?

                          It’s just like that Billy Idol song…

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                          • lana@beige.partyL lana@beige.party

                            As a child of the 80s and 90s, let me tell you how it was in the beforetimes.

                            Nobody had to tell us that smartphones were inevitable. Anyone who could afford a mobile phone got one, because a telephone you could carry with you in your pocket solved a clear and distinct social problem.

                            Nobody had to tell us that the Internet was inevitable. Anyone who could get online by hook or by crook did it, because access to the internet solved a clear and distinct social problem.

                            Nobody had to tell us that email was inevitable. Anyone who could get a yahoo or netzero email address immediately got one. Because almost instantaneous letters that could be sent to anyone in the world solved a clear and distinct social problem.

                            You know what they actually did try to tell us was "inevitable"? Robocalls. Phishing sites. Spam. Robocalls that woke you in the middle of the night to sell you car insurance. Phishing sites that looked like your bank but weren't. Spam that clogged up your inbox so bad you couldn't find that one important email you were expecting.

                            "AI is inevitable." they say.

                            Yep. I've seen this one before. It's inevitable in the way spam is inevitable. As a problem that needs solving. Not as the solution to anything. In the same way phishing sites are inevitable. As the result of criminals using technology to harm society and enrich themselves. In the same way robocalls were inevitable. As the natural result of human greed set loose without legal restrictions or boundaries.

                            Sure. AI is inevitable. But we invented Do Not Call registries to combat robocallers. And we invented two factor authentication to combat phishing scams. And we invented the spam filter to combat spam. And someday soon, some bright young woman or man will invent a tool to combat the scourge of AI imitation and fraud. That, too, is inevitable. And then, everybody will get one. And we can all look back and see AI for what it always was. Not a solution, but a problem to be solved.

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                            @Lana Preach!

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                            • mamalake@beige.partyM mamalake@beige.party

                              @Lana looking for the inevitable young women who poison Ai, where are they??

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                              @MamaLake @Lana
                              🫡

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