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  • ikari@8bit.redI ikari@8bit.red

    @cwebber question: open weight LLMs tend to come from China. Would the US regulations reach that far? (pardon my ignorance, in Europe i can use either :P)

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    #34

    @ikari @cwebber I bet it'd be like those inexpensive electric cars from China: all they can really do is stop USAmericans from using them 🤷 and, in this case and more consequentially, US companies

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    • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

      It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

      - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
      - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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      #35

      @cwebber Standard issue monopoly through regulatory capture. Make it impossible for competition to comply.

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      • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

        It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

        - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
        - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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        #36

        @cwebber
        As the world of the Internet Search Engines went, AI companies will sell biased AI searches to the highest bidders ... something the CCP already do...

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        • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

          It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

          - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
          - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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          #37

          @cwebber so, I tend to agree with this pov.

          But the current AI safety conversation started when an ex-Anthropic researcher said he was scared, which doesn't fit the corporate astroturfing narrative.

          https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/anthropic-researcher-quits-over-out-of-control-ai-fears-707b7628

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          • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

            It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

            - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
            - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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            #38

            @cwebber Also by a happy coincidence they had this epiphany shortly before an expected rise in interest rates.

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            • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

              @cwebber so, I tend to agree with this pov.

              But the current AI safety conversation started when an ex-Anthropic researcher said he was scared, which doesn't fit the corporate astroturfing narrative.

              https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/anthropic-researcher-quits-over-out-of-control-ai-fears-707b7628

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              #39

              @cwebber I mean, maybe the guy was part of a marketing maneuver, but that seems kind of extreme on his part. Or maybe the companies capitalized on the concerns he raised.

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              • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

                - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
                - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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                #40

                @cwebber the funniest thing possible that could happen is they get the regulatory moat, followed by the bubble finally popping and they all go bankrupt

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                • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

                  @cwebber I mean, maybe the guy was part of a marketing maneuver, but that seems kind of extreme on his part. Or maybe the companies capitalized on the concerns he raised.

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                  #41

                  @evan @cwebber or he got paid a shed load of money?

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                  • lily_and_frog@mastodon.artL lily_and_frog@mastodon.art

                    @mk30 @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics

                    It not the "kill everyone" part that is the selling point. It's the "so powerful".

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                    #42

                    @Lily_and_frog @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics but...if it kills everyone.... Do you see where I'm going with this?

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                    • bytebro@mastodonapp.ukB bytebro@mastodonapp.uk

                      @mcc @cwebber

                      Now, I want some input from mathematicians or philosophers!

                      "Presumably a truth wouldn't usually prove *both* a thing and its opposite"

                      I seem to recall that Gödel had some stuff to say about that...

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                      #43

                      @bytebro @mcc @cwebber nested incompleteness; how can the auditor audit itself

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                      • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

                        @cwebber I mean, maybe the guy was part of a marketing maneuver, but that seems kind of extreme on his part. Or maybe the companies capitalized on the concerns he raised.

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                        #44

                        @evan @cwebber not all marketing is pre-planned. Sometimes useful things happen and you take advantage of them. Someone had to decide this was a story the wsj should run, and they may or may not be invested in this narrative.

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                        • mk30@tilde.zoneM mk30@tilde.zone

                          @Lily_and_frog @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics but...if it kills everyone.... Do you see where I'm going with this?

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                          #45

                          @mk30 @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics

                          Yeah, it smells of desperation.

                          On the other hand, no one in power cared for the long term for a very long time.

                          All those AI investors never stopped to ask themselves "who will buy the stuff if everyone loses their job" either...

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                          • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                            It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

                            - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
                            - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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                            #46

                            @cwebber I'm writing an explainer on this. Should be out in the next day or so. I broke it down into four main parties: OpenAI/SpaceX/Anthropic; capital markets, the US government, and creepy nerds.

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                            • brunogirin@mastodon.me.ukB brunogirin@mastodon.me.uk

                              @evan @cwebber or he got paid a shed load of money?

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                              #47

                              @brunogirin @cwebber I mean, almost by definition!

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                              • megmac@social.treehouse.systemsM megmac@social.treehouse.systems

                                @evan @cwebber not all marketing is pre-planned. Sometimes useful things happen and you take advantage of them. Someone had to decide this was a story the wsj should run, and they may or may not be invested in this narrative.

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                                #48

                                @megmac @cwebber right. Taking advantage of the controversy.

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                                • mk30@tilde.zoneM mk30@tilde.zone

                                  @Lily_and_frog @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics but...if it kills everyone.... Do you see where I'm going with this?

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                                  #49

                                  @mk30 @Lily_and_frog @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics rich people don't understand that they're also mortal. To them, it's the "kill everyone but me" machine, their favorite type!

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                                  • raphaelmorgan@disabled.socialR raphaelmorgan@disabled.social

                                    @mk30 @Lily_and_frog @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics rich people don't understand that they're also mortal. To them, it's the "kill everyone but me" machine, their favorite type!

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                                    #50

                                    @raphaelmorgan @Lily_and_frog @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics so far this is the only answer that makes some sense.

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                                    • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                      It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

                                      - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
                                      - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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                                      #51

                                      RE: https://mamot.fr/@homlett/117270256444800551

                                      @cwebber

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                                      • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                        It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

                                        - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
                                        - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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                                        #52

                                        @cwebber

                                        Regulatory capture -- always a fun game for sociopaths

                                        https://www.theregister.com/ai-and-ml/2026/09/14/big-ai-sets-out-its-terms-for-regulatory-capture-and-calls-it-pace-the-frontier/5296067

                                        https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2026/09/14/viral-ai-doom-post-sparks-market-fear-and-regulatory-capture-concerns-for-nasdaq-nvda-nasdaq-googl-nasdaq-amd/

                                        https://www.theregreview.org/2026/08/31/shapiro-regulatory-capture-and-the-fossil-fuel-companies-attempts-to-preempt-tort-lawsuits/

                                        Tort law manipulation in disguise.

                                        The fossil fuel industry & its shills in AI want what the gun lobby got; the impunity to mass murder
                                        https://themodernregulator.com/how-regulatory-capture-works-and-what-regulators-can-do-about-it/

                                        The goal is to shield profits & privilege to a select few.
                                        https://www.gisreportsonline.com/r/regulatory-capture/

                                        https://www.rstreet.org/commentary/bootleggers-baptists-and-ai/

                                        It also balloons profits for bootleggers, just like Prohibition did for the mafia

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                                        • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                          It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

                                          - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
                                          - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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                                          #53

                                          @cwebber we do have to reign AI in, AI right now is enough of a threat, but the only people talking about safety are the ones that stand to gain financially from regulatory capture. Yet again the progressives self-own by blindly going the opposite direction of whatever capital is saying

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