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Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

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  • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

    Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

    That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

    Mozilla is cooked.

    https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

    cstross@wandering.shopC This user is from outside of this forum
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    #3

    @jwz My read is that Google—Mozilla's main funding source these days—have *ordered* them to spend money on AI (meanwhile supplying the money to do so). No mainstream browser may remain uncompromised by the grift. amirite?

    oblomov@sociale.networkO npars01@mstdn.socialN mttaggart@infosec.exchangeM 3 Replies Last reply
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    • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

      Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

      That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

      Mozilla is cooked.

      https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

      alfacinco@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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      #4

      @jwz Pues yo ya he desinstalado Firefox de todos mis disposivos..., bye Mozilla 👋🏻

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      • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

        Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

        That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

        Mozilla is cooked.

        https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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        #5

        @jwz according to Mozilla they will spend $130 million on AI bullshit. The $1.4 billion number is their total reserves.

        https://stateof.mozilla.org/ledger/

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        • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

          @jwz My read is that Google—Mozilla's main funding source these days—have *ordered* them to spend money on AI (meanwhile supplying the money to do so). No mainstream browser may remain uncompromised by the grift. amirite?

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          #6

          @cstross @jwz well, in Google's case the pressure is most likely internal. For Mozilla it'd be interesting to see if there was a gentle push from the outside or if this is inbred^W in-board general idiocy.

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          • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

            Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

            That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

            Mozilla is cooked.

            https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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            #7

            @jwz I feel like you could fix a lot of browser bugs with $1.4 billion (assuming it isn't wasted on Clod subscriptions for the sloperators).

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            • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

              Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

              That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

              Mozilla is cooked.

              https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

              csstrowbridge@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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              #8

              @jwz

              So... I assume people have already researched alternative browsers.

              Any recommendations.

              czauner@social.vivaldi.netC kathimmel@mstdn.socialK pelle@veganism.socialP 3 Replies Last reply
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              • abbe98@mastodon.socialA abbe98@mastodon.social

                @jwz according to Mozilla they will spend $130 million on AI bullshit. The $1.4 billion number is their total reserves.

                https://stateof.mozilla.org/ledger/

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                #9

                @abbe98 @jwz Imagine spending 10% of that on Servo instead. There are infinitely many better things to fund than another slop generator that will be ultimately inferior than any of the other free options currently available.

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                • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                  Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

                  That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

                  Mozilla is cooked.

                  https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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                  #10

                  @jwz jfc. and they are putting not one cent of that to FLOSS projects, right?

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                  • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                    Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

                    That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

                    Mozilla is cooked.

                    https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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                    #11

                    @jwz FF used to be OK but sadly enshitified now. Not as bad as Chrome or Edge. Yet.

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                    • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                      Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

                      That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

                      Mozilla is cooked.

                      https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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                      #12

                      @jwz 1.4 BILLION after they closed their Open Source sponsorships too... 🙄

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                      • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                        Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

                        That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

                        Mozilla is cooked.

                        https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

                        fuzzyfuzzyfungus@cyberplace.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #13

                        @jwz Did mozilla somehow end up with all the AI bros not competent enough to grift from VCs rather than nonprofits or something?

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                        • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                          Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

                          That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

                          Mozilla is cooked.

                          https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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                          #14

                          @jwz It feels like someone needs to pull a Firefox on the Mozilla Foundation like Firefox did on the original Mozilla browser when it had lost its way.

                          Take the core technology of Firefox & fork a non-AI browser that is focused on the web. That's what a large swath of people want. Then let the downloads do the talking.

                          Firefox "won" because a lot of people were using it. Web developers loved it.

                          Make a browser that people fall in love with because it works and is fast & reliable without AI.

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                          • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                            @jwz My read is that Google—Mozilla's main funding source these days—have *ordered* them to spend money on AI (meanwhile supplying the money to do so). No mainstream browser may remain uncompromised by the grift. amirite?

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                            #15

                            @cstross @jwz

                            We all need to remember where Google's money comes from... #PrinceBonesaw and Chris Hohn.

                            https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-06/google-thiel-stand-out-in-saudi-prince-s-silicon-valley-tour

                            https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/15/major-investor-calls-on-google-owner-to-aggressively-cut-staff-and-pay

                            https://www.businessinsider.com/saudi-arabia-crown-prince-visits-apple-google-2018-4

                            https://www.wsj.com/finance/investing/chris-hohns-tci-made-18-9-billion-last-year-shattering-hedge-fund-records-e155153b

                            We need more reporting on why the fossil fuel industry is suddenly so desperate to get AI into every aspect of tech & everyone's personal life

                            Browsers, robots, vehicles, farm tractors, home appliances, laptops, cloud services, IOT medical devices, news, content creation...

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                            • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                              Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

                              That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

                              Mozilla is cooked.

                              https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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                              #16

                              @jwz If users are so invested in the actions of this corporation, they should instead focus on creating a consumer cooperative for a browser so that they actually have a direct say in its operation

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                              • csstrowbridge@mastodon.socialC csstrowbridge@mastodon.social

                                @jwz

                                So... I assume people have already researched alternative browsers.

                                Any recommendations.

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                                #17

                                @csstrowbridge

                                Vivaldi is neat. And the promised not to put any AI in their Browser.

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                                • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                  @jwz My read is that Google—Mozilla's main funding source these days—have *ordered* them to spend money on AI (meanwhile supplying the money to do so). No mainstream browser may remain uncompromised by the grift. amirite?

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                                  #18

                                  @cstross @jwz I'm not so sure it's that. Mozilla view The Goog as a liability, and want to diversify revenue away from the disastrously single-sourced search royalties. They have concluded that the best way to do so is pursuing AI, while under the guise of "liberating" AI from corporate control. The latter is of course a joke, since uhhhh where exactly do those foundation models come from, even the "open" ones?

                                  https://taggart-tech.com/mozilla-cycle-pt3/

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                                  • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                                    Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

                                    That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

                                    Mozilla is cooked.

                                    https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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                                    #19

                                    @jwz out of curiosity, what is a good, trustworthy, no nonsense upstart web browser these days?

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                                    • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                                      Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

                                      That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

                                      Mozilla is cooked.

                                      https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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                                      #20

                                      @jwz
                                      that's like 10-15 F-35 fighter jets, or 1/20th of one block of a nuclear powerplant

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                                      • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                                        Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

                                        That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

                                        Mozilla is cooked.

                                        https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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                                        #21

                                        @jwz As much as I dislike the Chromium hegemony, I've since switched to Vivaldi because of Mozilla's tone deaf approach to enabling this AI shit storm bubble.

                                        There are some amazing Firefox forks, but how much hope can we really have for them if Mozilla is handling their financial setup this poorly?

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                                        • czauner@social.vivaldi.netC czauner@social.vivaldi.net

                                          @csstrowbridge

                                          Vivaldi is neat. And the promised not to put any AI in their Browser.

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                                          #22

                                          @czauner @csstrowbridge Same goes for @zenbrowser, which is Firefox based.
                                          I haven’t used it much, but I think I will take a closer look in the near future.

                                          https://floss.social/@zenbrowser/115731119480346990

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