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  3. as the "AI trade" unravels and Wiley Coyote discovers that he is, in fact, over the cliff, i want to recall how the narrative has shifted over the last few years.

as the "AI trade" unravels and Wiley Coyote discovers that he is, in fact, over the cliff, i want to recall how the narrative has shifted over the last few years.

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  • peter@thepit.socialP peter@thepit.social

    maybe they will convince investors to shoot some servers into space and **that** will be the last, stupid, crazy gambit that everyone falls for. but the final reckoning is near.

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    @peter great writeup, thank you, you voiced the feelings I had but couldn't put into words exactly

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    • peter@thepit.socialP peter@thepit.social

      i am pretty sure they'll bounce back from this one and maybe have another run at reinflating the bubble this summer, but there's honestly nothing else on the horizon. everyone's just building giant, insanely-complicated webs of agentic workflows around LLMs and pretending it might eventually work. no one talks about AGI anymore, no one really thinks any of this is intelligent, even the top researchers are saying LLMs is a dead end.

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      @peter So it is like SARS-CoV-2 variants.

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      • thedansimonson@lingo.lolT thedansimonson@lingo.lol

        @peter when I first heard about “agents,” I was like “oh they’re doing ensemble methods again.”

        In older methods, ensembles get you nice performance gains—a few percent, usually. Idk how much they improve LLMs because no one measured it.

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        #15

        @thedansimonson @peter there’s a bit of that, but another way to see it (and a reason it kinda works better), is that it’s just introducing a large deterministic layer (the tools the agents use), and (in the few cases where agents outperform) a sort of cross-validation method (whatever measurable task the agents are assigned to). In any case, we’re back to good ol ML with a fuzzy layer and lots of hype…

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        • rhelune@todon.euR rhelune@todon.eu

          @peter So it is like SARS-CoV-2 variants.

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          @peter @rhelune it's evolution: two entities, facing extinction, trying variations of their thing in the desperate hope they'll find one that sticks and lets them grow, driven entirely by greed and fear...

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          • peter@thepit.socialP peter@thepit.social

            maybe they will convince investors to shoot some servers into space and **that** will be the last, stupid, crazy gambit that everyone falls for. but the final reckoning is near.

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            #17

            @peter
            From 1634 to 2026... The story may be different but the plot remains the same #TulipMania
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania

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            • peter@thepit.socialP peter@thepit.social

              remember when "prompt engineer" was gonna be a thing? that's because everyone thought these models were capable of anything, you just had to prompt them right.

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              @peter no wanting to derail your thread (it was great, by the way) but your "prompt engineer" made me remember what I saw in a newsletter this morning: "Why Your LLMs Need CONTEXT ENGINEERING" (all caps mine for emphasis)

              I was and still am laughing out loud 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

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              • iclavijos@mastodon.socialI iclavijos@mastodon.social

                @peter no wanting to derail your thread (it was great, by the way) but your "prompt engineer" made me remember what I saw in a newsletter this morning: "Why Your LLMs Need CONTEXT ENGINEERING" (all caps mine for emphasis)

                I was and still am laughing out loud 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

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                @iclavijos they are frantic to come up with a New Thing lol

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                • peter@thepit.socialP peter@thepit.social

                  @iclavijos they are frantic to come up with a New Thing lol

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                  @peter hey, maybe there's a business opportunity in there. We must come up with some made up titles (Hallucination Detector Engineer, for instance), trademark them and voilà! 😂

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                  • iclavijos@mastodon.socialI iclavijos@mastodon.social

                    @peter hey, maybe there's a business opportunity in there. We must come up with some made up titles (Hallucination Detector Engineer, for instance), trademark them and voilà! 😂

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                    @iclavijos firing up the LinkedIn Bullshit Machine now...

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                    • peter@thepit.socialP peter@thepit.social

                      @iclavijos firing up the LinkedIn Bullshit Machine now...

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                      #22

                      @peter 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

                      Have a good day, thanks for the laughs!

                      PS: by the way... from the US in Barcelona? I'm from Barcelona and just moved back a few months ago after living 6 years in Pittsburgh 🙂

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